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Demon cult in Kuala Lumpur threatening me

Shuddhasattva

Shuddhasattva

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For that very reason vajrayana exposes itself to more drama, by far, than any of the others. The Dorje Shugden controversy is nonsense of the highest order.
 
Vasilisa Jade

Vasilisa Jade

Formerly Saint Tigeress
It is ridiculous to me. I hate drama, and petty ego and status issues. I guess this is why I am a solitary practitioner, and I don't take well to Guru's or teachers in general as far as for me. I have a friend that practices Vajrayana, and I admire him a lot. I don't believe his ripanoche plays into dramas, but I could be wrong. It seemed so different.

I see all these Guru's, Swami's and Ripanoches apparently now, and other titles supposedly "teach" these practices that should elevate the practitioner, yet they are still blatant slaves to emotion, and victims of silly drama amongst themselves that they make oh so serious.
 
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Vasilisa Jade

Vasilisa Jade

Formerly Saint Tigeress
My friends call me an "ender." When drama comes to me I end it. I can get to the bottom of things fast and cut the crap.

I have one Swami friend who really goes out of his way to create drama. His followers or students or whatever you call them, think there is a method to his madness, and he wants them to eventually be able to be immersed and unaffected. This may be true. I have been immersed and able to be unaffected already enough in earlier stages of my life. I accept him and I accept that is what he does, although I see spiritual masters of such behavior more like children playing in a sand box than anything profound or mystical.

We are cool but we don't interact on a deeper level cause I didn't play his games lol. He didn't like me getting to the bottom of it and ending it, or just not playing along at all.
 
Shuddhasattva

Shuddhasattva

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This drama actually goes back ~400 years ago to the lifetime of the 5th Dalai Lama who propelled the Gelug school to power at the expense of its heart essence, having his followers murder a rival who later became Dorje Shugden.
 
Jainarayan

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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MariaLoi

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FYI I am also survivor of Kechara House cult. We *(I don't any longer)* worship Shugden. Tsem Tulku gets you to leave your family and friends and move into a commune to work for him. TTR gets people to harass people online and IRL that leave the cult and say you'll be killed if you tell. I had to leave Malaysia to get away from them. No regrets about leaving at all. I am Free now. I joined a survivor group to help with the PTSD of cult life and am recovering. My advice is don't be afraid to leave, but cover your trail when you do.
 
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MariaLoi

New Member
As well, you must be able to defend yourself. Before I moved to Singapore, I bought a gun because after I left people were coming to my apartment at night and banging on the door, throwing rocks into my windows, and leaving black magic charms and dorje shugden fliers.
 
FashionOfMyLove

FashionOfMyLove

Non-Conformist
Dorje Shugden is not a demon, as he is an emanation of an Enlightened being he can not wish any bad for any one.

Furthermore as in his past lives he was many Buddhist master's he practiced pure moral discipline so could not take rebirth as an evil spirit, saying that he couldcompletely contradicts the Buddhist belief of Karma.

You being mistreated like that is the fault of his followes that you are talking about, not him himself.
 
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GongZi

New Member
nekoboy86 said:
Hi there, i was doing some research and i came across this thread.

I have come in contact with Kechara House and Tsem Rinpoche himself and i can verify that he nor Kechara House practices Shudgen. They practice Setrap instead.

I would like to highlight that due to a misunderstanding with certain not too mature members of the organization, a certain individual has been spreading rumors and accusations against Tsem and Kechara. Kechara is not filled with perfect individuals but such accusations and defamations are quite unfair towards Tsem and his organization.

I am also quite surprised that all of you gobbled up the rumor so easily, posted by a one-time poster and nobody even bothered to verify what he posted. This same poster has also made similar (but milder) attacks against Tsem such as this one: Tsem Tulku Controvery: Dorje Shugden - Dharmaling Forums

I am writing this because i cannot bear to see false accusations against an ordained person, especially with one that i have verified by myself.

The original poster of the thread never replied back which only makes it more obvious that his only intention of posting was just to defame and do nothing else. Notice he never quoted the exact threat nor made a police report (it would have been posted if he did)

Now, on the Shudgen issue, it would be better if we just follow the Dalai Lama's instructions of avoiding it. There is a lot of heavy reading involved if you would like to investigate, but the easier way would be just to follow what the Dalai Lama said.

I hope that this thread be renamed and Tsem's and Kechara's name is cleared as it is not fair for them.
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Agree that OP is strange. And wouldn't it be just as wrong for us to believe what you said without verification? Note that I'm not saying that you're lying, just as I'm not saying OP was lying.

Shugden aside, I've received some reports by former members on cult-like behaviour in Kechara House led by Tsem. (Sorry, I can't refer to him as Tulku or Rinpoche.) I believe you know more about this than I do.
 
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