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homosexual Christians
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i believe in tranquility
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theres nothing wrong with being a christian and gay. How can someone hate you for a condition that you have no control over. Thats like hating someone because of their skin...and we all know how that went...
the OT might have said that homosexuality is bad, but Jesus himself never condones it.
the OT might have said that homosexuality is bad, but Jesus himself never condones it.
Mike182
Flaming Queer
do you mean condones? or condemns?i believe in tranquility said:
i guess jesus would only have preached on the subject of men with men and women with women if he had views that were controvercial to the views at the time, and the views at the time were that it was an abomination - so the argument of "jesus never said it's wrong" doesn't hold much sway, im affraid
Fluffy
A fool
Not necessarily. There are many problems on which Jesus does not touch directly, not because he didn't disagree with contemporary views but because he didn't feel the need to. Besides, it seems very unlikely that over the course of his life, Jesus never once commented on homosexuality. We only know that it wasn't recorded, perhaps because he believed it to be fine but such a belief was deemed to controversial by his peers who wanted to distance themselves from current pagan beliefs.
chuck010342
Active Member
I have some strange feeling to do a complete ministry dealing just with you guys. I think I should, perhaps feel in the missing feeling in my life, something to do besides playing games all day. There is a difference between Elitism of people and Elitism of Ideas. We are all made in Gods image (including homosexualls) therefore we should love them, BUT that does not mean we should condone homosexual acts. I'm pre-supposing the authority of the scriptures and will not lower myself to quote it to you. Therefore in light of my previous statement homosexual "christians" are just confused and we should tell them in a loving what what they are doing is not right.
i believe in tranquility
Member
mike-show me QUOTES please. From Jesus also. There is no point in arguing when you give no proof of what you say from the prime scripture. My proof is that there is no proof that Jesus said that being gay is "bad".
Well if you're going to do that don't stop there. Go tell everybody their faults. Don't just single out gay people. Go tell everyone who is overweight that their lifestyle is not right. Go tell all the smokers that what they're doing is un-natural. Go tell all of the soldiers around the world that they are breaking one of God's commandments. Otherwise your making yourself out to be a hypocrite. Go see how well they accept that "loving way" of yours. Even if you have good intentions regarding this situation, you still have to look at it from the other persons point of view. And that point of view is quite negetive because somebody who is not perfect is telling you that your wrong. And last time I checked the only person who has the authority to point out faults is God Almighty. And he has pointed out mankinds faults. He tells us them through the Bible. Jesus did not say go point out the faults of others, he said to plant the seed in people by showing love and compassion for everyone. THAT'S IT. He will take care of the rest. Unless someone is causing harm to others, thy lips needeth to remain zipped.
Searcher of Light
Member
First, those who hate homosexuals are not Christians plan and simple. Hating people is not of God.
Second, just because someone was born either heterosexual or homosexual does not mean they have to act on their urges.
Third, while God is love God is also a God that demands change. He demanded the Hebrews to change to suit Him just as He demands people today to change to suit Him.
To be open, I disagree with the homosexual lifestyle when it is by choice. When dealing with genetics, I am on the fence. I realize it is not my place to judge. This is just my own personal moral stance. That said I do not fear or hate homosexual people; I just disagree with their behavior.
Second, just because someone was born either heterosexual or homosexual does not mean they have to act on their urges.
Third, while God is love God is also a God that demands change. He demanded the Hebrews to change to suit Him just as He demands people today to change to suit Him.
To be open, I disagree with the homosexual lifestyle when it is by choice. When dealing with genetics, I am on the fence. I realize it is not my place to judge. This is just my own personal moral stance. That said I do not fear or hate homosexual people; I just disagree with their behavior.
standing_alone
Well-Known Member
Loving someone?
Sin is Sin. We all have urges like pride, greed, lazyness, etc. We commit sins everyday. We don't have to act on these urges, yet all of us do. When start I seeing people making an attempt to change ALL of their faults to suit God until they're perfect, then I'll stop calling them hypocrites.
Smoke
Done here.
It's not exactly wrong, but you do have to allow for the possibilities (a) that your information is faulty or incomplete, (b) that they may (quite rightly) consider it none of your business, (c) that they have already considered everything you have to say, and come to another conclusion, and (d) that it's quite likely you'll be considered presumptuous and annoying without your admonition making any serious impression at all. People are especially reluctant to heed the advice of relative strangers about romantic matters.waacman said:
waacman
Restoration of everything
The reason I ask is this: suppose I say that a homosexual lifestyle is wrong, I not only say it is wrong, but the reason that it is wrong is b/c the Bible tells us that it is.
I find so many times when I try to explain to ppl that I don't hate homosexuals, I just believe that their lifestyle is a sin, they tell me that I'm condemning them (only God can condemn people), or judging (only God can do this as well) them, or some other ridiculous statement about me doing something to them, when in reality, I merely take what the Bible says and restate it to them.
I find so many times when I try to explain to ppl that I don't hate homosexuals, I just believe that their lifestyle is a sin, they tell me that I'm condemning them (only God can condemn people), or judging (only God can do this as well) them, or some other ridiculous statement about me doing something to them, when in reality, I merely take what the Bible says and restate it to them.
Smoke
Done here.
To many people, that sounds like the worst kind of reasoning. Why would you imagine that everybody accepts the Bible as an authority, or that everybody who does must come to the same conclusions from reading it that you do? See, for instance, Whosoever, edited by Candace Chellew-Hodge, and in particular her section, "What the Bible Says About Homosexuality," for an example of how someone can view the Bible as inspired without sharing your interpretation of it.waacman said:
You might be surprised how few people are interested in hearing your paraphrase of what the Bible says, and your interpretation of the implications for their personal life.waacman said:
waacman
Restoration of everything
You say that as if I shove it in their face. I wouldn't go out telling gays that their wrong, but if they ask me what I think of them, I'll let them know.MidnightBlue said:You might be surprised how few people are interested in hearing your paraphrase of what the Bible says, and your interpretation of the implications for their personal life.
and its a little sad that people aren't interested in hearing what the Bible has to say ( and I won't paraphrase, I'll give it to you word for word, prob NASB style)