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does hinduism accept christ as a prophet/god

Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
Where does Hindi end and Gujarati begin?

Namaste,

Well you see, brother, this can be answered by utilizing the most famous Upanishad of all time: The Maitra-Varunaupanishad.

"M.V. summoned vac, or speech. This speech grew from the tongue and was called Guju Bhāshā. This was the holiest and greatest speech to grace human discourses. From breath came vac, from vac came Gujarati!"

Thus said Maitra-Varunih! Behold! The truth!

:D :D :D :D :D

M.V.
 

Maija

Active Member
In general, no.

However, Hinduism allows it's practitioners to find their own path and if one finds inspiration (or even divinity) in Christ, then so what?

I would have to say the same.

^ THIS.

A great teacher and prophet I would say is not too debatable.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
I still fail to see the relevancy that Christ has in Hinduism..

Om Sai Ram

He does if you want him to and can see it; he doesn't if you don't want to and don't see it. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head. These discussions only point out that Jesus himself takes up too much room in people's heads. I have to ask myself "why?". And this has nothing to do with Christian conversion in India. That's a political issue, really.

Read the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew and Mark. Better yet, read the Gospel of Thomas and The Sermon on the Mount According to Vedanta by Swami Prabhavananda. Much of what Jesus said augments what is in the Bhagavad Gita, and even the Dhammapada. I'm not going to start a "who inspired whom" **** storm, rather, the point is that no religion stands alone or has a monopoly on wisdom. The problem I find is that people dismiss Jesus without knowing a damn thing of what he really taught. People talk out of their *****.

Now, in the words of the late great Richard Nixon (yes, I liked him), "let me make this perfectly clear": I'm not saying, never have and never will say Jesus is essential to Hinduism, but don't dismiss his teachings without knowing them. Do not rely on or believe what "Christians" point to as his "violent" talk and hell fire and brimstone. Jesus was the king of metaphor and parable, which is lost on most people. Unfortunately in trying to explain things in metaphorical terms, it backfired on him because people are too literal in their understandings. Maybe the Jews of the time understood, but we certainly don't. Few Christian writers and analysts have the stones to go against the accepted paradigm. I find that people who dismiss Jesus are speaking from a position of ignorance of him. I know this and can see it having been a Christian all my life, and seeing him more clearly now that I'm not a Christian, through the lens of other religions and philosophies.

So I say this now, publically to everyone, If you have never studied his teachings or the exegeses of them, don't speak on him, simply drop it and practice your own practices.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I still fail to see the relevancy that Christ has in Hinduism..

Om Sai Ram

I totally agree. There are only two general groups that see this at all:

1) People who have been subjugated to extreme proseletysing, and didn't have the opportuntly to counteract it, or the foresight to see the implications and harm it does ... in other words, the gullible.

2) Converts who can't get it out of their system because it's so heavily programmed.

This forum is mostly # 2.

Older thread on the topic .... http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/hinduism-dir/134756-jesus-hinduism.html
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
I strongly disagree, especially with #2. Those of us who've left Christianity left it for our own reasons. No one can say what is in our minds, especially for those not having lived it or only relying on hearsay. I very easily left behind the mortal sin and burning in hell bull **** long ago. At the risk of making a sweeping generalization, I daresay other Christian refugees feel the same. But that doesn't mean one can't respect Jesus's teachings. Separate the man from the followers and the institution.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I strongly disagree, especially with #2. Those of us who've left Christianity left it for our own reasons. No one can say what is in our minds, especially for those not having lived it or only relying on hearsay. I very easily left behind the mortal sin and burning in hell bull **** long ago. At the risk of making a sweeping generalization, I daresay other Christian refugees feel the same. But that doesn't mean one can't respect Jesus's teachings. Separate the man from the followers and the institution.

I think you misread me, but maybe not. :) I did not say all converts. I said 'those converts who can't get it out of their system'. This is not a personal attack, but an observation.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
No, I understand you. Whether you realize it or not, your comment is "prophetic", as in clarity of sight. The trigger is that I've read that comment (sentiment is a better word) elsewhere. There are certainly some who fit that description. I can think of one young lady who posts here who is conflicted beyond belief. I don't want to call out a name, but I think you know who I mean. Again, I used your comment as a springboard for a general diatribe. It seems I'm always directing my comments at you. They're not, but they're inspiration for my diatribes. :eek:
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
This place is the only place I ever hear about it. But then again, it is religious forums, what can I expect? I'm here on my own volition.
 

Fireside_Hindu

Jai Lakshmi Maa
I can think of one young lady who posts here who is conflicted beyond belief. I don't want to call out a name, but I think you know who I mean.


I know. It's just...When I look at my 'Buddy Christ' action figure I can't help but smile. IS THAT SO WRONG? :D


(Just trying to lighten the mood a bit.) :p


:camp:
 

Maija

Active Member
I still fail to see the relevancy that Christ has in Hinduism..

Om Sai Ram

Jesus does not have to be relevant to Hinduism or to you for you to see that he was sent a historical prophet and teacher.

I am not saying that they should take the time to, but he was sent here with a message that he did deliver for the people of his time. In a historical way regardless of if it matters to you, he was a prophet and teacher, imho.

Same way that, I'm not a Buddhist but I think Buddha was a great teacher, I am not a Sikh but I am sure that Sri Guru Granth Sahib has some wonderful truths and is equally a great teacher and guru to some. I cannot say I am a Muslim but I know Muhammad was a prophet, maybe not one you'd like to follow..Some of these teachers, lessons I may never make it to reading- they may not be a priority, but I can say with certainty that at least a portion of their message was valid.

To me, I see the question very straight forward. A prophet is someone who is one or a few:

1. A person who speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of a god is expressed.
2. A person gifted with profound moral insight and exceptional powers of expression.
3. A predictor; a soothsayer.
4. The chief spokesperson of a movement or cause.

At the very least I can say with certainty, he was #4.

Because something that I do not embrace as my way, does not mean I do not see some of the truth in it.

This is not at all because I used to be a Christian who has religious baggage. While exploring other faiths is not relevant or necessary, there may be some truths that you feel are universal, messages of love/compassion that you have seen worded in another way and light.

In the end I could be wrong, but I view the word prophet as "The chief spokesperson of a movement or cause." I view teacher as in, they had messages preached, they had a following it does mean you're the one following...

I did not believe that Jesus is God embodied. This is different, but again I never stated that, I have not believed Jesus to be God for many years.
 

Maya3

Well-Known Member
I still fail to see the relevancy that Christ has in Hinduism..

Om Sai Ram

It doesn't, but if someone feels connected to Christ so what?



I'm very frustrated about two things in all these conversations.

The first one is that people assume that if someone feels connected to Jesus, Muhammed, or Pagan deity or person you want to mix that in and make it Hindu. Then suddenly Hinduism is going to become diluted and people are going to think that Hindus worship Jesus.

I and others here have said over and over again, that no Jesus is not going to become a Hindu deity because someone feels connected to him. All we are saying is: "Whatever floats your boat."
That's it, there is nothing more to it.

The second thing is the assumption that just because you talk about Jesus you MUST have been Christian before, really you must be a closet Christian who pretends to be Hindu.
Or you were so influenced by Christianity that you are secretly scared of going to hell and is still holding on to it.

Sigh...

It is possible to hold a conversation about other religions without feeling connected to them and not being part of them.

All these threads about Christianity and Hinduism reminds me of the three monkeys "See no evil, hear no evil, say no evil."

"I know nothing about Christianity so SEE how Hindu I am!"

I hope I don't sound too confrontational here, If I do I apologize. I get very frustrated.

Maya



Maya
 
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Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm here on my own volition.

Me too. Sometimes I think it's time to back off and just pick up one of the many books I have, and just read. Or go do something else instead of being a keyboard philosopher. I think a few of us often feel that way.
 
I totally agree. There are only two general groups that see this at all:

1) People who have been subjugated to extreme proseletysing, and didn't have the opportuntly to counteract it, or the foresight to see the implications and harm it does ... in other words, the gullible.

2) Converts who can't get it out of their system because it's so heavily programmed.

This forum is mostly # 2.

Older thread on the topic .... http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/hinduism-dir/134756-jesus-hinduism.html

Vinayaka ji
Coming from you the comment is unfortunate, should have been avoided. No one is saying here that Christ must be formally inserted into Hinduism (anyway where is such "authority" in Hinduism who will supposedly do it). The posters here are only saying that a Hindu should be free to worship Jesus if he chooses to. Moreover, it is also implied here that there is something true (hindu) in Jesus which makes it possible, which is validated by experience only, and certainly no one is saying the same in regard to any other alien gods/ prophets.

The argument is spiritual in nature, and should be seen as such. Clearly, for Hindus like you and me it (accepting/ rejecting Christ) is not necessary nor significant.
 
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bp789

Member
Frankly, I'm not exactly sure how I feel about this topic. It's typically only on the internet forums that I've seen people say that Hindus should have absolutely nothing to do with Jesus. My experience in real life is different. I agree that Jesus is completely irrelevant to Hinduism, and we shouldn't start building temples or doing pujas of Jesus. But I know a decent number of Hindus that say that they have respect for Jesus as a man and that he was a great teacher. As for why there's this respect, I'm not exactly sure.

I'm guessing it's just because (in my experience) Hindus tend to be more open minded about learning about other religions, and truly believe everyone's just worshiping God in the way they know. Another reason might be because in India, parents find children's worldly education a priority over religious educations, leading to many of their kids being educated in Christian schools because the regular schools aren't that great. I'm assuming that since many of the people's experiences have been positive (though not all), they tend to respect Jesus although they don't worship him. That doesn't explain my dad though, who although he respects Jesus, he does not worship him, but he wasn't raised in a Christian school or Christian neighborhood, so I don't know. Many of the Hindus I know are universalist in the sense that they believe each religion is on its own path to the same God, although they don't necessary worship each other's deities. And it's not just something I've noticed among a certain subsection of Indians, I've noticed this among Gujaratis, Punjabis, Tamils, Telugus, Bengalis, etc. Having said that, these same people that respect other religions still dislike missionaries, proselytizers, and evangelicals.

When it comes to syncretists though, they are smaller in number though. However, a few people's parents have said how they would occasionally pray to God in churches, mosques, and other places of worship despite being Hindu, although they would not keep those deities in their actual altars. There are certain communities that are to some extent syncretists due to an accident of history. A few North Indians Hindus pray at Sufi dargahs, Goan and Malayali Hindus and Christians visiting each other's places of worship, Malayali Hindus and Christians celebrating Onam together, certain Rajput Hindus and Muslims intermarrying and praying at each other's places of worship, Khoja and Ismaili Muslims praying to Hindu deities, Hindus and Sikhs of Punjab worship at their temples and gurudwaras, Hindus and Buddhists of Nepal worship at each other's temples, Hindus and Jains of Gujarat pray at each other's temples, Hindus and Taoists of Singapore praying at each other's temples (although I imagine most people don't mind the last four examples because they're Eastern religions). However, I am noticing that there is somewhat of a trend for those Christian and Muslim Indian communities. to try to lean away from syncretism.

I know for Swaminarayan Hindus, those that were born in Hindu families (so the vast majority) respect other religions, but we aren't syncretists and we typically just stick to our own traditions. However in the stories that people in the Swaminarayan tradition are told, we are told about followers that come from Muslim, Christian, or Zoroastrian backgrounds. Swaminarayan sadhus never had a problem with people of those backgrounds syncretizing Hinduism and whatever religion they came from. In one of the lectures that my parents were listening, the sadhus were saying with pride how one of the Muslim devotees would pray their namaz 5 times a day, yet still worship at the Swaminarayan temple. I'm assuming in these cases, they wouldn't perceive Allah or Jesus as the vengeful, hell-happy God, but that Allah or Jesus was Swaminarayan and believe the Vishishtadvaita view of God. This happened because Muslims, Christians, and Zoroastrian devotees didn't really have a place in the Hindu caste system, so syncretism was the only option (which probably hurt Hinduism IMO).

To conclude my long incoherent rant, I don't know what I feel about Jesus, but I'll say that even though I like learning about other religions and looking for parallels between those religions, I don't syncretize religions in my practice because I don't find it necessary, and I feel that it would just become extremely confusing and a hassle in the long run. In response to some comment saying that universalists shouldn't call themselves Hindu, honestly if we took that approach, then that would just end up alienating a good chunk of born Hindus.

मैत्रावरुणिः;3433872 said:
Namaste,

Take a trip to Vamaj, Vadu, and nearby villages. The tribal peoples found in those villages are mostly matriarchal.

Tame kem cho? Majama?

M.V.

Thanks, I should probably visit if I ever get the time off from university...

Majama chhu, bas oonghmathi uthyo.
 
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gailnatalie28071971

gailnatalie28071971
A lot of Hindus think that Christ was an enlightened person and some might read his teachings.
But I don´t think there is a single Hindu that believes in the Resurrection (sp?)
and Abrahamic theology is completely different than ours.

But yes of course it is accepted by most. It doesn´t really matter how you reach God, if it works for you that's great.

Maya

I am not sure if I agree with not one single Hindu believing in the Resurrection of Christ :help:
 

Maya3

Well-Known Member
I am not sure if I agree with not one single Hindu believing in the Resurrection of Christ :help:


Christians believe that bodies come back to life again when Jesus comes back, no matter if the bodies have been dead for thousands of years.

I have not met a Hindu who believes this. We believe in reincarnation. Why would you reuse your old body after it's rotten?

Maya
 
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