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Pope Francis On Gays: 'Who Am I To Judge? We Are Brothers'
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Freelance_Policeman
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Why hasn't "Judge not" been their policy to this already?
InformedIgnorance
Do you 'know' or believe?
Because most religious institutions seem to be inclined towards judging people, they seem to think that maybe their god(s) or whatever the system of justice present in their beliefs IS (such as karma etc) that it simply does not work fast enough or obviously enough to appease their own sensibilities - so they decide to take upon themselves the right to judge people in this world.
dyanaprajna2011
Dharmapala
Personally, I don't either. But considering the fact that the Catholic church is always going to have a pope, the current one seems to be quite an improvement over many others.
Me Myself said:
Most conservative Christians don't feel that way. They believe that the sinner is just as evil as the sin, especially when it comes to homosexuality.
While you're right, that this has been the teaching of the Catholic church, Francis is the first to publicly state so, in so bold of terms. But it's more than that: it was either JPII or Benedict that decreed that open homosexuals, even if they weren't practicing, could not be priests, while Francis has stated the opposite. Even if you were a "non-practicing" homosexual in the Catholic church, if you stated so, you were still ostracized. Francis is trying to change that.
Any time people state in clear terms that it is pointless to discriminate against people just because they are gay is a fine time in my book.
Galen.Iksnudnard
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I can't help but wonder if this Pope is just trying to pull a PR stunt to improve the image of the Catholic Church.
I'm sure that everyone reading this is already familiar with the Catholic Church's historical anti-LGBTQI stances, so I'll cut to the chase. Christianity by its vary nature has usually ben quite disparaging and arrogant on anything with which the disagreed. The attitude towards individuals who are members of the LGBTQI community are one example of this. For centuries the Catholics have gone around maliciously defaming and damagingly misrepresenting anyone who disagreed with them.
I, for one, am convinced that these recent "changes" are a strong effort on its part to pull the levers of charlatanism to gain more support from people who are smart enough to get out of the Church. This effort is disguised and cloaked in deceit, of course as such efforts always are.
Change doesn't happen overnight. Heck, it took 350 years for the Church to officially adopt the Heliocentric theory and pardon Galileo, as the rest of the world moved forward.
I'm sure that everyone reading this is already familiar with the Catholic Church's historical anti-LGBTQI stances, so I'll cut to the chase. Christianity by its vary nature has usually ben quite disparaging and arrogant on anything with which the disagreed. The attitude towards individuals who are members of the LGBTQI community are one example of this. For centuries the Catholics have gone around maliciously defaming and damagingly misrepresenting anyone who disagreed with them.
I, for one, am convinced that these recent "changes" are a strong effort on its part to pull the levers of charlatanism to gain more support from people who are smart enough to get out of the Church. This effort is disguised and cloaked in deceit, of course as such efforts always are.
Change doesn't happen overnight. Heck, it took 350 years for the Church to officially adopt the Heliocentric theory and pardon Galileo, as the rest of the world moved forward.
Me Myself
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Did he say gays were evil? did he condemn them or their acts?
Me Myself
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The priest thing is weirdet than against homosexuals. It was justified as you needing to "give up" something by becoming priest. Because homosexuals wouldnt be "giving up" their opportunity for sex (their prefered sex was always sinful, whereas an heterosexual could have had married and had non sinjful sex).
Likewise, people without hands couldnt (and cant I assume) be priests because they dont havehands to make the eucharisty. I would assume asexuals shouldnt be able to be priests by the same regard.
Me Myself
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Condemn the sin not the sinner has been their policy for some time now.
Actually, most religions do not function as all-encompassing rule-books that infringe on independent investigation of truth and liberty, with the exception of the most fundamentalist interpretations of them. Catholicism, for one, places great emphasis upon conscience and adhering to one's conscience. Revealed truth serves as a guide and enlightener to conscience rather than its ruler, as one of our Blesseds said:
Even former Pope Benedict XVI once conceded:
Btw are you "angry" today? You seem to be swearing a lot on various threads
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Do you mean why did he discuss the topic at all?
If so, simply because he was asked a question by a reporter about a priest who had reportedly had a gay lover in the past:
Pope Francis Reforms Threaten Some Catholics, Changes Not Welcomed By All
dust1n
Zindīq
Oh good, then I don't have to bother seeking justification from external sources.
Btw are you "angry" today? You seem to be swearing a lot on various threads
Not particularly. My default personality does tend to swear with some regularity. I'm just trying to be more authentic. Should I go back to pretending according to political correctness?
I didn't get what you were saying, thanks for the clarification
Me Myself
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Which is why it isimportant to takeintoconsideration that pope infalibility is a more or less recent invention, which has been further edited even way more recently. (after a lot of popes spoke directly against the concept saying it was a lie from Satan, that is )
Of course not. Swear like a trooper for all I care
Its only that I hadn't noticed you swearing before, so I simply thought it to be "out of character" but clearly I was wrong, so no worries there my friend.
Me Myself
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The conversation is about sex, not love.
Catholics should make love with everyone
but sex only bithin marriage.