Homosexuality and christianity

nutshell · Feb 6, 2006

i believe in tranquility said:
.......was homosexuality forbidden according to Christ?...no, niether should it be for every christian today.

Then you obviously don't understand Christ's teachings.

i believe in tranquility · Feb 6, 2006

enlighten me then nutshell. where in the NT does Jesus Christ himself say that being gay is immoral/wrong/bad/a sin.

nutshell · Feb 6, 2006

i believe in tranquility said:
enlighten me then nutshell. where in the NT does Jesus Christ himself say that being gay is immoral/wrong/bad/a sin.

Christ's teachings aren't limited to his quotes alone. The whole body of scripture is the word of God and thus the teachings of Christ.

standing_alone · Feb 6, 2006

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Methinks you may have crossed the line with that post.

Might want to mind how you say things if you don't want to get banned. Plus, you come off as rather unintelligent and repungent.

Mark1615 · Feb 6, 2006

Homosexuals argue that they did not make a conscious decision to be that way, so it must be natural. They are born that way just as all of us are born with a sin nature and sinful desires (Ephesians 2:13). It is natural for them, and for all of us, to be tempted to do things that God says are wrong. In the same way, pedophiles and adulterers (alcoholics, drug addicts, etc.) don't make a conscious decision to choose that self-destructive lifestyle, they simply give in to their sinful desires. However, although sin is natural for us, that doesn't mean God wants them to remain that way. God can set them free from their sinful nature (Romans 7:23 8:2), give them new desires (Ephesians 4:22-24), and help them withstand temptations (1 Corinthians 10:13).

Homosexuals are deceived if they think they can find in Scripture that their lifestyle is okay with God, and that they cannot change. This list of sins (1 Corinthians 6:9-11) - which encompass most, if not all, of the Ten Commandments - makes it clear who will not be included in the kingdom of God. However, Paul says to those who are now believers, "And such were some of you" (v.11). No matter what their sins, God can wash sinners clean and make them righteous in His sight.

nutshell · Feb 6, 2006

princess66? said:
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You've been reported. Not for this post, but your previous remarks.

Chill a little and try to have a constructive conversation if you want your message to be heard.

standing_alone · Feb 6, 2006

Princess66?: I'd follow nutshell's advice:

Chill a little and try to have a constructive conversation if you want your message to be heard.

We don't all agree on things here (like me and nutshell in this debate and on religion in general), but we can treat one another with respect.

nutshell · Feb 6, 2006

standing_alone said:
Princess66?: I'd follow nutshell's advice:

We don't all agree on things here (like me and nutshell in this debate and on religion in general), but we can treat one another with respect.

Amen to that.

Standing_alone,
Can I have a hug? :flirt:

standing_alone · Feb 6, 2006

Can I have a hug? :flirt:

Why certainly! :flirt:

i believe in tranquility · Feb 6, 2006

nutshell: you didnt give me any quotes from Jesus, therefore i have no reason to subject to what you are saying. The teachings of the OT prophets is NOT the same as the teachings of Christ, in fact Christ teachings radicalized/summed up these laws from the OT (Jesus perfected these laws into what we consider today as "christian" ethics.

nutshell · Feb 6, 2006

i believe in tranquility said:
nutshell: you didnt give me any quotes from Jesus, therefore i have no reason to subject to what you are saying. The teachings of the OT prophets is NOT the same as the teachings of Christ, in fact Christ teachings radicalized/summed up these laws from the OT (Jesus perfected these laws into what we consider today as "christian" ethics.

The OT is the base upon which Christ's teachings came from.

Christ was Jehovah...the God of the OT.

Do you remeber the whole Sodom and Gomorrah thing??? I think Jehovah/Christ had something to say about perversions of sexuality.

i believe in tranquility · Feb 6, 2006

ok well we have a problem...there is nothing wrong with the problem though: you think God IS Jesus, and I dont.

I think Jesus is the SON of God...so yea according to you Jesus thinks being gay is a sin (lol even tho he never says that in the NT), and I think that Jesus said to love one another (including homosexuals because they are people aswell).

linwood · Feb 7, 2006

EiNsTeiN said:
Well....if it's forbidden in christianity, then what I said is still true:

No, it is not.

You cannot state something is forbidden simply because a religion forbids it.

it is forbidden for the religions adherents and no one else so it is not resolutely universally "forbidden".

This is that intolerance I have been speaking of.

YmirGF · Feb 7, 2006

YmirGF said:
I think this is perhaps the single most disgusting thread on ReligiousForums.com

I recommend the thread be closed and burnt.

I am doing a 180 here, as I have changed my mind. I can't very well go around supporting the right to publish incendiary cartoons and then turn around and scream that something else is not ok.

Let me be the first in the thread to openly admit that I am wrong to ask the admins to shut down the thread because I find the subject matter distateful. Just because I do not agree with or like, what many of you are saying, does not give me the right to demand your silence.

The folks that are speaking against homosexuality, for whatever fascinating reasons, have every right to say whatever is on their minds and in their hearts, even if their thoughts rot my socks and make my skin crawl.

fromthe heart · Feb 7, 2006

i believe in tranquility said:
ok well we have a problem...there is nothing wrong with the problem though: you think God IS Jesus, and I dont.

I think Jesus is the SON of God...so yea according to you Jesus thinks being gay is a sin (lol even tho he never says that in the NT), and I think that Jesus said to love one another (including homosexuals because they are people aswell).

Jesus was with God before the earth was even formed see Proverbs 8:22-30 therefore for one to say Jesus came and because of it made old testament law outdated is a misconception...He came to prove the law not to do away with it....the old testament is still a part of God's word therefore when it says soemthing is wrong in the old testament such as sexual sins it IS! Jesus IS the Son of God but they are of one accord/mind/thought/deed/and what God feels Jesus feels so to sort of drop God from Jesus in this sense is incorrect. It lists sexual sins that are an abomination to God/Jesus/Holy Spirit...If one commits sin in this sense the Holy Spirit can not reside in a sinful persons spirit therefore they are apart from God/Jesus/Holy Spirit. We are to choose to be as Christ...I do not believe Christ would condone sexual sins...I don't believe those who say they are homosexual and Christians can really say they are doing what God has intended for them. That is MY personal opinion on it. I also don't like that so many have hatred towards our brothers and sister who have chosen this lifestyly or feel they have been born to be this way...to hate is just as bad ;so is to feel superior...Christians need to watch what they do and say or they are just as sinful as those they point fingers at saying "SINNER". We all have sinned and with the Glory of God only can we overcome our sins.

i believe in tranquility · Feb 7, 2006

Jesus was with God before the earth was even formed see Proverbs 8:22-30 therefore for one to say Jesus came and because of it made old testament law outdated is a misconception...He came to prove the law not to do away with it....the old testament is still a part of God's word therefore when it says soemthing is wrong in the old testament such as sexual sins it IS! Jesus IS the Son of God but they are of one accord/mind/thought/deed/and what God feels Jesus feels so to sort of drop God from Jesus in this sense is incorrect. It lists sexual sins that are an abomination to God/Jesus/Holy Spirit...If one commits sin in this sense the Holy Spirit can not reside in a sinful persons spirit therefore they are apart from God/Jesus/Holy Spirit. We are to choose to be as Christ...I do not believe Christ would condone sexual sins...I don't believe those who say they are homosexual and Christians can really say they are doing what God has intended for them. That is MY personal opinion on it. I also don't like that so many have hatred towards our brothers and sister who have chosen this lifestyly or feel they have been born to be this way...to hate is just as bad ;so is to feel superior...Christians need to watch what they do and say or they are just as sinful as those they point fingers at saying "SINNER". We all have sinned and with the Glory of God only can we overcome our sins.

#1 rule when stating a verse: LET THE VERSE BE SHOWN.
#1 rule when relying to someones post: KNOW WHAT THEY SAID.
I never said to do away with the OT laws. I said Jesus radicalized/summerized them. There is a BiG difference.

Our Brothers and Sisters did not CHOOSE to be gay/lesbian. If you are gay you are gay from birth. So one may ask: If God hates gays so much, why does God make people gay (because God creates everything right)?

EiNsTeiN · Feb 7, 2006

linwood said:
No, it is not.

You cannot state something is forbidden simply because a religion forbids it.

it is forbidden for the religions adherents and no one else so it is not resolutely universally "forbidden".

This is that intolerance I have been speaking of.

Didnt you notice the word "if" ?

Check again:

Well....if it's forbidden in christianity, then what I said is still true:

linwood · Feb 7, 2006

EiNsTeiN said:
Didnt you notice the word "if" ?

Check again:

No need.

You first said "Homosexuality is forbidden"
(Note you did not say who it is forbidden to or who forbids it or give it any parameters at all)
Now we`ve established it is forbidden in Islam and Christianity.

So, you state that validates you saying "Homosexuality is forbidden"

It does not as many many people are not Christian nor Muslim.

Point is ..
Do you believe I or anyone who does not follow these faiths should be held to their dogma?

Homosexuality is not forbidden.

Popeyesays · Feb 7, 2006

nutshell said:
The OT is the base upon which Christ's teachings came from.

Christ was Jehovah...the God of the OT.

Do you remeber the whole Sodom and Gomorrah thing??? I think Jehovah/Christ had something to say about perversions of sexuality.

Well, Christ works very hard in the Gospels to dispell the notion that He is God.

I would recall in the Biblical story of Lot in Sodom and Gomorrah that Lot does not come off terribly well in ethical terms. He KNOWS that the refugees he is protecting are angels, so KNOWS that God is testing him and actually OFFERS his "virgin" daughters to the mob to rape and have their way with the girls if the mob will leave the angels alone.

I think this story has become twisted in the telling and do not really think Lot would have committed such an act, but that's the way the Bible tells it (Old Testament Septaguint Christian Bible, anyway).

Regards,
Scott

EiNsTeiN · Feb 7, 2006

Linwood, again you didnt reed my words :

I'm sorry, I said the islamic view for this issue...I didnt notice the thread concerns christianity..
It's forbidden is islam, I dont know if it is in christianilty or not...

Anyway, this means I'm out

You first said "Homosexuality is forbidden"
(Note you did not say who it is forbidden to or who forbids it or give it any parameters at all)

And in the previous quote, I answerd it..

I'm out now...

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