Monotheist 101
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:biglaugh: I did not mean that literally. I did not find comparison in what I felt until many years later when I learned about Islam no different then you.
So you do believe in the existence of Jinn?
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EVIL SPIRITS: How does your faith/belief system regard evil spirits.
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So you do believe in the existence of Jinn?
Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
I cannot even begin to verify your claims for starters. Even if true the claims are undoubtedly flooded and washed away by the massive repetition of false claims.
If you don't mind me asking, what was your experience? How did you dismiss the whole "seeing is believing" thing? This is not a challenge to your views or beliefs. I'm asking because I sincerely want to hear your story and your view on the matter in your own experience.
I do not have a perfectly 'normal' record as far as mental stability goes so I cannot even trust myself to be honest. I just felt something bizarre that I perceived to be supernatural. I use the word felt because I could not describe it as seeing or hearing as no known form of sense in regards to our known 5 could describe what I perceived.
Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
To some degree. I am fairly agnostic when it comes to spirits. No claim has been proven and the claim I specifically wish to find is a confirmed one in regards to a spiritual entity manipulating our physical world. But no such thing has occurred.
Christians apparently see Jesus daily and any such event that involve envisioning of spiritual apparition is not in the slightest bit valid in substantial claims.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
If they do exist, I think the phenomenon should be studied from a scientific perspective.
Monotheist 101
Well-Known Member
Seven Heavens in Quran
http://www.dapla.org/jinns.htm
Interesting articles trying to explain the science behind the Jinn.
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Why?
If something is wholly otherworldly - if something is nonphysical as spirits are usually taken to be - it cannot have a physical presence. This instantly puts it outside the scope of science; it would be nonsensical to even attempt to study it through empirical naturalism, and at best, such attempts would be bunk pseudoscience. There's already enough crap pseudoscience out there attempting to validate paranormalist claims. Doesn't strike me as wise to add to it further. Besides, it's not like science is the only - or even necessarily the best - way of knowing in all situations.
BrokenHearted2
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Thanks for your input, I'm grateful this one went away with prayer and even at that I felt really helpless.
I understand, I'm not a big fan of shows like Paranormal State. It drives me nuts when theses ghost hunter types start "daring" the ghost/spirit to show itself. I don't think they are considering what they may be calling. Thanks for your input.
Thanks Monothiest, this is the kind of answer I was looking for, personal beliefs/legends that I can research. But if the good one are Jinn visiting my patient then this is more disturbing than just ghosts. I will be looking into the Jinn.
I like your thoughts on the psychological aspects. I wonder if this was an evil person for a long time. It radiated evil, I could feel it. Thanks for sharing.
"I am certain that there is nothing to do with spirits except dispell them or ignore them outright, if they even exist." Good advice. Thanks for commenting, I will see if my library can obtain "The Spiritual Fallacy".
Thanks for opening up and sharing that.
Monotheist 101
Well-Known Member
The Good ones wont interact with Humanbeings.
You mentioned an odor... In my experience the place starts to smell like rotten garbage..or rotten meat to be precise..once It smelled like a weird oil or incense of some sort..not pleasant though
BrokenHearted2
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A horrid mixture of necrotic flesh (like in a stage 5 Decubitus Ulcer/Bed Sore),Rotten Eggs, and Burning Tire/Electreical wire. All overwhelming, like those things but worse if that makes any sense.
Monotheist 101
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I notice how some people are talking about lingering spirits of the dead...this is completely untrue in my experience..try catching them out on the B.S next time..the best way is to have a conversation with them..But I would not advice the weak of heart to try it..they seem to pick up on fear..If your already fearful they will scare you..if your not they may still try..lol.. Ive never actually consciously seen an apparition.. I have encountered at least 12 possessions and have tried to astrally project a few times..I came across a few bad ones, It was a horrendous creature resembling a feathered centurion if that makes sense..definitely had hooves, Its presence emanated bad energy/vibes..that's when I bailed and have never tried to Astrally Project again after that.. It serves no purpose IMO other than communicating with the Jinn.
Monotheist 101
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How long ago was this? Has it happened a few times with same patient? same room? same building/premises?
Probably. But assuming that they do exist, they are even less related to scientifical subject matter than much of what makes Psychology not a full science.
Ultimately, belief in spirits is far more significant that their existence. It is reasonable to assume that it has always been so and will always be.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Oh, you mean like radio waves, static electricity, etc?
It's no less wise or more nonsensical than trying to fit experiences or observations within presumptuous, preconceived notions. Sorry, but an objective approach is the best approach. Human understanding of things has always been limited, yet is always expanding and growing, and as something who values knowledge over ignorance, I think the honest route is to pursue that.
Draka
Wonder Woman
I've conversed with spirits before by means of different divination methods. I've only run across really very few who were actually temperamental, nothing I couldn't throw off or banish though. It takes effort for them to penetrate the veil in the first place. Channel your energy right and it's even more energy they have to expend to stay around and be a nuisance. They'll tire out. They might get ***** about you pushing them away and come back, had that happen, but once they realize that you are stronger and aren't afraid the fun of playing around with you kind of loses its luster...you know?
Monotheist 101
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Certainly does.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
Hi,
I do believe in the demons even though i've never had any experiences myself.
Our understanding of the demons is that they are rebellious angels who have sided with Satan the devil against God. According to the book of Revelation, those wicked angels were expelled from the heavens and confined to the earth (Rev 12:7-9)
On earth they cannot materialize bodies of flesh, but they can appear in various forms...what we usually call a 'ghost'
The laws God gave to Israel included the prohibition against any form of spiritism or divination. The reason is because, through such things, the demons can exert their power over people.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
People had no knowledge or understanding of radio waves during the medieval period, but the science behind things isn't limited by our knowledge or understanding of it, is it?
Oh, you mean like radio waves, static electricity, etc?
I think you might be misunderstanding what I mean by physical presence or I didn't communicate that properly, because all of the things you listed here have a physical presence. Hence, they can be studied quite easily via scientific methodologies provided you've got the right instruments to measure it.
I find the objective approach to be poorly suited for a wide variety of activities in my life, personally. I'm not sure how objectivity comes into play with respect to deciding to get up in the morning and going to work, for example. Or how objectivity would be of much use in my creative writing or artistry. I think if I attempted to approach my relationships with people in an objective fashion, I would probably destroy all of them.
To me, honesty is in recognizing objectivity has limits, science has limits, and using may ways of knowing instead of strapping oneself down to one method. We don't limit to one method in practice anyway, so why pretend that we do, eh? But this is really neither here nor there.
BrokenHearted2
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Just that one time in that one patients room
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
During the dark ages they had no knowledge or understanding of radio waves, nor did they have the instruments to measure them, yet the science behind it still existed nonetheless. Also, assuming they exist, spirits consist of an energy that can purportedly
be seen, heard, and manipulate physical objects, etc.
I find the objective approach to be poorly suited for a wide variety of activities in my life, personally. I'm not sure how objectivity comes into play with respect to deciding to get up in the morning and going to work, for example. Or how objectivity would be of much use in my creative writing or artistry. I think if I attempted to approach my relationships with people in an objective fashion, I would probably destroy all of them.
To me, honesty is in recognizing objectivity has limits, science has limits, and using may ways of knowing instead of strapping oneself down to one method. We don't limit to one method in practice anyway, so why pretend that we do, eh? But this is really neither here nor there.
If something exists, there is a science behind it, even if we don't yet understand it.