Loving People vs. Liking People

Sunstone said:

I think that, if a person had an active dislike of another, he or she would have some difficulty loving and caring for that person. In my experience, when one has an active dislike for someone, attempts to show concern, care, or love have a way of being too little, too late, or of otherwise going wrong.

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I actively dislike some things about my daughter, but I still love her.

Mestemia said:

I actively dislike some things about my daughter, but I still love her.

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Good point. But I would suggest that if you actively disliked everything, or nearly everything, about your daughter, things might be different.

Sunstone said:

Good point. But I would suggest that if you actively disliked everything, or nearly everything, about your daughter, things might be different.

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To actively dislike everything about another person is to be a hypocrite.

Mestemia said:

To actively dislike everything about another person is to be a hypocrite.

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Quite possibly one of the few genuinely interesting statements I've read all week.

Sunstone said:

Quite possibly one of the few genuinely interesting statements I've read all week.

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One of the little pet sayings my father would say to me growing up is:

Love can be in such a way that we do not wish harm on others or ourselves. The things that harm us and others we dislike because of love. Say some person were bringing their self down, if I didn't care then I would neither like nor dislike their actions.

'mud said:

hey Absols, from another post of yours
You seem to have an important message to say.
I like a lot of what I read, but honestly, I can't figure out your message.
Example:
you said:"god existence is evil necessary"
I read, and thought:"god's existence is an evil necessity ?"
If so.....I'll read further, again for the third time.
Welcome aboard
~
`mud

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thx mud i appreciate ur tolerence to else ways, lets see for how long it would stand im joking but from my experience of the net it seems like powers is everything
so else is not allowed

to answer ur reply i prefer to emphasize on smthg else

the message

it seems that a lot of conscious beings care for messages, i didnt figure why before but now i can see

i can see bc u seem honest so ur sense of message is more real then watever repeated before

in truth there is never a message, it is all objective and the result is positive freedom

so in both ways it is hundred percent a fact and beyond superiority to seek a purpose or a need to fulfill, when it is existing reality so the present value alive

and unfortunately true persons like me cant mean to say smthg but in truth, so i cant mean message either even if i am in situation of needs and negative

in evil realms u cant point smthg or mean anything unless u see its end

which show how and why objective is nothing then

what has an end is the thing, so watever u would point about it is opposite to

obviously unfortunately all existence is evil life

that is why all believe in free wills or dreams to realize

while in truth will never exist

so freedom exist as being present

when u r present u cant will, ur presence is almost infinite reality fact with all else perspectives presence too

wanting to b is opposite to being

and this is what is shown clearly at the end

to wat extent honest beings are hated

evil power is based on the rule, the investment of its weakness

evil weakness is the unability to do or b any alone

so the premise which became universal is else abuse while else in absolute objective fact is existence knowledge

gods are about the comfort of abusing existence known being inferior, so they dont have to justify their own freedom presence

that is how the world is built on most disgusting matters life and in cheapest ways

so they can focus on their comfort to keep still by the certainty that it would stay inferior

it is really unfortunate to witness such things, i cant believe it so individually i wont but objectively it is the truth

individually i cant accept that truth is not present for rights or wrong evil liars

hey Absol,
I followed for a while, but you lost me.
Just thoughts:
remember the general topic ?...LOVE I think
Maybe evil is part of that...probably !
But I don't believe in any 'body of evil'.
do no harm...love all....be tolerent of cruel persons.
or...if in Texas.....get a gun !
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Philosophy amazes me.
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`mud

Taking into account the language barrier, from what I have absorbed, I think that AdityaMookerjee and absols are very close to the heart of the matter.

Liking or disliking "people" refers to liking/disliking characteristics. Characteristics are not the life of a "person". "Person" is a characteristic too. Oh, this seems to be a complex web of simple thread that goes deep in our experience, I think its very fundamental. I have to explore the rabbit holes of this thought to get to the heart of it.

Anyway, I think your thoughts, Aditya and absols, make sense to me, if I have understood them as you intend, and it has made me think of something that I have been slightly aware of lately but haven't made clear.

Also, mud's post makes a lot of sense to me

'mud said:

LOVE is the existence of the 'desire' to love, not the result of the doing.
That made sense a few seconds ago, now.........?
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`mud

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"Love" being the desire to love is a feeling, love itself would be the behaviour and actions that are effectively love, and that is different from a feeling or some sort of attribute.

Is that what you mean?


Sunstone and Mestemia's exchange also has some good points.

If, on one hand, I actively dislike a person's characteristics (which I tend to do a lot; "a person's characteristics" referring roughly to the majority of many people's characteristics ), it would be hard to have active feelings of love for them. On the other hand, you can dislike characteristics and still care for the fundamental life. That would be hard though, if you could not seperate that life from the characteristics. Then, also, as per my interpretation of mud's post, the feeling of love is not what I will call love itself, its a feeling; as mud said "the existence of the desire to love".

Also,

Mestemia said:

One of the little pet sayings my father would say to me growing up is:

People tend to see themselves the most in others.
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This, I do believe that many of my problems with other people stem from being at odds with myself in many ways. Also, there is likely a good bit of apathy , but I think that that is a symptom of something else, not the root of the behaviour.


I have a feeling that this is getting to a fundamental part of our primordial psychology, the way our very existence functions (at least it is to me).

Thanks for all the input so far!

DreadFish said:

Elaboration: Can a person love and care for the well being of other people though they have little interest in being around other people, don't necessarily want to get to know other people, and may not even like other people in general?

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That's me. I don't particularly like being around people, and I generally find them annoying, but I will help when I can.

DreadFish said:

Alright folks, i've got one for ya. Simply put: can a person love and care for the well being of other people without liking other people?

Elaboration: Can a person love and care for the well being of other people though they have little interest in being around other people, don't necessarily want to get to know other people, and may not even like other people in general?

Would this be an irreconcilable contradiction, maybe an excuse to feel better about a sort of misanthropy, perhaps, or do you think these sort of qualities can coexist within a person quite naturally?

In this context, I will define "Like" as:
Verb
Find agreeable, enjoyable, or satisfactory.

And I will define "Love" simply in the open unconditional sense, not wishing harm and caring for one's well being.


Answers and discussion will be appreciated!

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I think both can coexist without a question.

'mud said:

hey Absol,
I followed for a while, but you lost me.
Just thoughts:
remember the general topic ?...LOVE I think
Maybe evil is part of that...probably !
But I don't believe in any 'body of evil'.
do no harm...love all....be tolerent of cruel persons.
or...if in Texas.....get a gun !
~
Philosophy amazes me.
~
`mud

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while a person is not a body

and powers are over bodies enslaving them mostly to b against rights so against their own realities for powers life

DreadFish said:

Liking or disliking "people" refers to liking/disliking characteristics. Characteristics are not the life of a "person". "Person" is a characteristic too. Oh, this seems to be a complex web of simple thread that goes deep in our experience, I think its very fundamental. I have to explore the rabbit holes of this thought to get to the heart of it.

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for truth sake i would attract ur attention on smthg different

evil is wat keep looking at ends to pretend knowing smthg about existence

rights are what keep looking at facts reasons to identify a certain realisation of the fact

so to know why do u like smthg is to know first how liking is possible, it is the major reason to ur sense of enjoying smthg else presence, then ur individual taste reason become evident or clear of u

like is between love and care, while love is to evil and care to truth so existence reality

persons are not characters, individuals from the fact that they must limit themselves to reality of else could seem relatively bein characters

but persons as a whole is an abstract right

person is same truth but individually bc truth exist so truth is free, wat exist is free

and when objective comes first before the end or the sense, then truth freedom so objective freedom is always superior to any else presence

and this is why i guess how else freedom become with time isolated more to the notion of rights, persona rights of being present free too

so first come the hundredpercent fact clarity

then comes the present sense or end of it

while for sure the objective fact become present sense too, bc it was really a fact so it doesnt vanish or return to smwhere back totally

and the present free sense means or ends perspectives is also objective totally, bc it cant b wat come after without knowing how to realize the reason of present free first

as u seem to mean loving

i would also attract ur attention on smthg

the more evil rule existence the more we need true superiority reasons, bc existence is still reality that cant b conceived nor perceived nor lived negatively

this is why the more evil is powerful the more honest people need to love, bc love is superiority sense

while the more people love the more evil live

since it would make evil the fact superiority even if it means the opposite or point it as such

that is why we need truth freedom help from up

but also any honest should b careful to avoid disappointments or lost

the more any cares about anything else the more it is all itself objective and present free sense, so cant b lost or becomin crazy

hey Dreadfish,
I said that it made sense a few seconds ago...now about a couple of hours.
The 'desire' to project to someone else the 'feelings' of desire and touching,
and being near. Accepting that person with all their faults,
even those that you aren't aware of, now how can that be?,
....oh hell....I forgot my point !
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`mud

DreadFish said:

Alright folks, i've got one for ya. Simply put: can a person love and care for the well being of other people without liking other people?

Elaboration: Can a person love and care for the well being of other people though they have little interest in being around other people, don't necessarily want to get to know other people, and may not even like other people in general?

Would this be an irreconcilable contradiction, maybe an excuse to feel better about a sort of misanthropy, perhaps, or do you think these sort of qualities can coexist within a person quite naturally?

In this context, I will define "Like" as:
Verb
Find agreeable, enjoyable, or satisfactory.

And I will define "Love" simply in the open unconditional sense, not wishing harm and caring for one's well being.


Answers and discussion will be appreciated!

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It seems, I can like myself, and care for myself, as appropriately as appropriately is. This is just a feeling, and thought. Whether I can care for others, when loving them passionately, moderately, or just liking them, isn't an issue, for the endorsement of passionate or moderate love, or just liking.