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Werewolf vs Vampire Mythology

Rainbow Mage

Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
I love my supernatural creatures of night. I was wondering how old these types of myths actually are.

I know the werewolf curse is attributed to Lycaon by Roman mythology but I'm guessing it could be older than that.

I don't know about the origin of vampires at all. Does their mythology predate modern vampire fiction?

Are those who say vampire myth is likely a reworking of werewolves correct or incorrect?
 

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
The origin of vampires really depends on how loosely you define vampire. It could include ghouls, zombies, etc.

And the reworking idea doesn't feel true in my opinion. In many mythologies vampires and werewolves were not separate entities. When a werewolf died, it became a vampire. Some cultures didn't even have separate words for the two.
 

Roadrider

Member
Some Native American tribes had myths related to wolf spirits/wolf folk and they seem to have had a close association with rabbit spirits, this may not be what you are looking for but it is interesting nonetheless and maybe a small piece to your greater puzzle:
Chibiabos (Jiibayaabooz)
As a side note the idea of the trickster rabbit Mishabooz and whatever other names he was known under by different tribes was said to be the original inspiration for the cartoon character Bugs Bunny
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
I love my supernatural creatures of night. I was wondering how old these types of myths actually are.

I know the werewolf curse is attributed to Lycaon by Roman mythology but I'm guessing it could be older than that.

I don't know about the origin of vampires at all. Does their mythology predate modern vampire fiction?

Are those who say vampire myth is likely a reworking of werewolves correct or incorrect?

From what I remember, there was a vampire myth already existent in the Balkans (at least) that the earliest modern vampire fiction was loosely based on. Then later, Stoker's Dracula was perhaps inspired by Vlad Tepes, although I don't think anyone has ever made the claim Tepes was a vampire.

Hmm...well, that was my memory. This seems a little more informative...lol

Vampires: The Real History | LiveScience
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
I always thought the vampire myths came from real life instances of people "coming back from the dead". Basically, medicine sucked back then, and so they'd sometimes bury people who weren't quite dead yet. Additionally, when people would exhume corpses, gas build up would cause weird noises and other unmentionables to be expelled from the corpse, giving it a rather ghoulish, half-alive appearence.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
I always thought the vampire myths came from real life instances of people "coming back from the dead". Basically, medicine sucked back then, and so they'd sometimes bury people who weren't quite dead yet. Additionally, when people would exhume corpses, gas build up would cause weird noises and other unmentionables to be expelled from the corpse, giving it a rather ghoulish, half-alive appearence.

Can you please stop insinuating that my mother-in-law is a corpse?
 

Rainbow Mage

Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
I always thought the vampire myths came from real life instances of people "coming back from the dead". Basically, medicine sucked back then, and so they'd sometimes bury people who weren't quite dead yet. Additionally, when people would exhume corpses, gas build up would cause weird noises and other unmentionables to be expelled from the corpse, giving it a rather ghoulish, half-alive appearence.

That's an interesting theory.

A friend once told me vampire lore could be based in ancient Scythia, though I've never seen any proof.

I know werewolf mythology is ancient because it goes back to cave paintings of were-creatures.

What I wonder is if any truth lies behind werewolf legends. There's always been claims of lycanthropy through history.
 

Rainbow Mage

Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
I think the most famous myth of a so-called historical werewolf would have to be the beast of Gevaudan
 

Erebus

Well-Known Member
The origin of vampires really depends on how loosely you define vampire. It could include ghouls, zombies, etc.

Not to mention the various night demons. It's possible to find vampire-ish creatures as far back as Mesopotamian mythology.

As far as European vampires and werewolves are concerned, there are countless different versions of the mythology. As Gjallarhorn said, some cultures held that werewolves (and sometimes witches) became vampires after death. Others held that there were living vampires who would become a more powerful vampire after death. Furthermore plenty of cultures considered vampires, werewolves and witches to be largely the same thing.

Basically when it comes to vampire mythology nothing is simple ;)

I always thought the vampire myths came from real life instances of people "coming back from the dead". Basically, medicine sucked back then, and so they'd sometimes bury people who weren't quite dead yet. Additionally, when people would exhume corpses, gas build up would cause weird noises and other unmentionables to be expelled from the corpse, giving it a rather ghoulish, half-alive appearence.

Mistaken death and death rattles etc are a common theory of the myth's origins. Also if a person is buried alive they're likely to scratch and gnaw in their desperation to escape, cue bloodied claws and teeth on a strangely fresh looking corpse.
Furthermore you have various illnesses such as rabies, anemia and haemophilia which are sometimes linked to vampire/werewolf mythology.

A friend once told me vampire lore could be based in ancient Scythia, though I've never seen any proof.

Scythian warriors were said to drink the blood and take the scalps of the people they killed (I'm not certain how true this is) perhaps that's what you're friend was thinking of?
 

Rainbow Mage

Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Perhaps so and that would explain a historical origin for that aspect of the mythology.
 

Titanic

Well-Known Member
I love the Werewolve's and Vampire's too. I really do not know were the myth was started but I believe it was started from serial killer's hundred's of year's ago.
 

Roadrider

Member
I love the Werewolve's and Vampire's too. I really do not know were the myth was started but I believe it was started from serial killer's hundred's of year's ago.

Serial killers did not exist hundreds or thousands of years ago, this is a modern concept

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Sculelos

Active Member
I love my supernatural creatures of night. I was wondering how old these types of myths actually are.

I know the werewolf curse is attributed to Lycaon by Roman mythology but I'm guessing it could be older than that.

I don't know about the origin of vampires at all. Does their mythology predate modern vampire fiction?

Are those who say vampire myth is likely a reworking of werewolves correct or incorrect?

The way I think both vampires and werewolves are metaphorical and were told because they were easier then telling people the truth which is even more haunting.

I believe we were originally born as Stars but yet a black hole sucked us in and consumed our energy and our Life is a slow motion playback of that event. We are near the end of our universe's life and it's about ready to collapse back in on itself.

First a black hole was formed, the black hole tricked a star to touch it and the star became a Vampire the first Vampire created more Vampires. Werewolves are stars that burnt out but yet resisted and fought the Vampires all the way and tried to break the curse on the vampires. Some Stars chose not to fight and thus remained as stars and some stars volunteered to become Werewolves and be infected with a terrible hunger to drink blood but yet they wanted to become werewolves due to some choosing the path of the Vampire which was the black hole and the succubus of everything that lived. But the risk of becoming a werewolf was great. If a werewolf killed a vampire it broke the curse and the vampire returned it's energy to the stars. If a vampire killed a werewolf the werewolf would turn into a vampire. The vampires started winning over the werewolf but it is said that when 22 Billion werewolves die the curse of the vampire will be broken and all vampires will become vulnerable. Then the King of Stars will turn the werewolves back into brighter stars and break the black hole and the blood of the vampires will be used as a lesson of why we shouldn't drink each others blood.
 

Rainbow Mage

Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
That's interesting theories. I just wonder why werewolves were treated as practically history in the middle ages. Like King Louis and the beast of Gevaudan
 
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