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Again, I like to answer the questions in order - to give everyone equal time.AlanGurvey said:Good job on the duplication, but some peoples question remain to be answered
Luke 3:23-31 says, "And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli...Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David."Halcyon said:7. Jesus's bloodline is traced back to King David - through Joseph, yet by your account Jesus was not the son of Joseph. Explain?
Mark1615 said:Luke 3:23-31 says, "And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli...Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David."
Technically, Jesus was not a blood descendent of Joseph, because He was conceived by the Holy Spirit. But His human father was Joseph - a descendent of David.
Flavius Josephus was a historian who lived from 37 A.D. to about 100 A.D. He was a member of the priestly aristocracy of the Jews. Josephus mentions Jesus in Antiquities, Book 18, chapter 3, paragraph 3 (this paragraph is so phenomenal, that scholars now debate the authenticity of some of the more favorable portions of this text):Halcyon said:8. Jesus rose from the grave and lived amongst his disciples for 40 days before ascending, why isn't there any record outside the bible of the walking corpse of a notorius executed criminal?
Flavius Josephus was a historian who lived from 37 A.D. to about 100 A.D. He was a member of the priestly aristocracy of the Jews. Josephus mentions Jesus in Antiquities, Book 18, chapter 3, paragraph 3 (this paragraph is so phenomenal, that scholars now debate the authenticity of some of the more favorable portions of this text):Halcyon said:8. Jesus rose from the grave and lived amongst his disciples for 40 days before ascending, why isn't there any record outside the bible of the walking corpse of a notorius executed criminal?
Mike, it is true that there are many different versions of the Bible. There are versions in Chinese for the Chinese. There are versions in Russian for the Russian people. There are actually thousands of versions of the Bible - some are in modern languages, some in foreign languages, and some are in old English. Few, in the printing age, can claim that they don't gave access to the Scriptures in their own language. However, each translation is based on the original biblical texts.Mike182 said:in the same way, these scriptures have been translated several times, so much so that the messages in the bible have changed - again, you cannot offer any non religious arguments to disprove this
Mike,Mike182 said:third of all, the bible was written for a culture completely different to our own, again, you have no non religious arguments to say that the bible is relevant today
I agree. I could write an in-depth comment to this...but then I would be found guilty of "proselytizing.":tsk:Mike182 said:sorry, i figured you wanted some tough points to debate - i guess im mainly saying that debating christianity will not convince people who don't already believe in it
To the first part of your question...woooo. This may take a while. No other book is questioned or maligned like the Bible. Critics looking for the flyspeck in the masterpiece allege that there was a long span between the time the events in the New Testament occurred and when they were recorded. They claim another gap exists archaeologically between the earliest copies made and the autographs of the New Testament. In reality, the alleged spaces and so-called gaps exist only in the minds of the critics.Aqualung said:Do you think the Bible is the complete, unadultered word of god, and that everything we need to know is contained in it?
Because Jesus is God. If a person denies Christ, then they deny God. Jesus is the One who said that He is the only way to the Father. For Christians to say that there are other ways to find peace with God is to bear false testimony.AlanGurvey said:If G-d (its the religious jew way of typing it) is so rational, so just why does he make it that only those who believe in jesus are saved?
To the first part of your question...People often accuse God of being unjust, because they assume that everyone will receive the same punishment in hell. God's judgment, however, will be according to righteousness (Acts 17:31). Mark 6:11 shows that there will be degrees of punishment.AlanGurvey said:I have a question, why whould g-d send to ETERNAL damnation to those who do not believe in him or his son, but are virtueous in every other way. Why would g-d do that?
Mark1615 said:Buttons,
it is hard for us to understand that a person can be from two different paternal lineages. But this is God we are talking about. The Holy Spirit caused Mary to become pregnant. But Jesus' human father was Joseph. His heavenly father was God.
To compare a musician with God....AlanGurvey said:Why would he take personal anger at not being acknowledged? After all many artists play not for recognition, but for the art itself. Why wouldn't g-d then protect man for the act of doing it? After all the man does the greatest mitzot of all, acting just and kind to his fellow man. Why would g-d do that?
You might be referring to "circular reasoning." That's like saying you can't prove that the President lives in the White House by looking into the White House. It is looking into the White House that will provide the necessary proof. The fulfilled prophecies, the amazing cosistency, and the many scientific statements of the Bible prove it to be the Word of God. They provide evidence that it is supernatural in origin.Buttons* said:Yeshua never explained that...
You just have no better reason than "the Bible says so" in this case, and truthfully, that's all you have. No proof is needed in faith....