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Evolution flaws which proves it fallacy.

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
OK. I know that. Why does it taste good? In other words where did good taste come from?
From the macromolecules... that's all taste is. Chemistry.

You can produce tastes in a basic chemistry lab. Artificial flavors for example.

Individuals that can detect the macromolecules better can find more nutritious sources of the food. Saving energy and increasing their survival chances.

I for example, have a mutation that renders the chemicals in Cilantro into a foul and noxious flavor. It tastes like moldy soap to me and I can very easy detect it food.
I avoid foods with Cilantro like the plague.

which is a shame because it's quite common in Tex/mex and Asian cooking. :sad:

wa:do
 

secret2

Member
OMG. Evolution the broken record.

Where did juicy sweetness come from? Why does food taste good?

It's called biochemistry. Different food induces different chemicals to be secreted within the gooey grey stuff inside your skull.

By the way there is some awful tasting food that is actually very good for human health. But there is so much that is good. Why? Where did it come from?

How does that contradict evolution? Trees don't know or care whether we like eating their fruit.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
From the macromolecules... that's all taste is. Chemistry.

You can produce tastes in a basic chemistry lab. Artificial flavors for example.

Individuals that can detect the macromolecules better can find more nutritious sources of the food. Saving energy and increasing their survival chances.

I for example, have a mutation that renders the chemicals in Cilantro into a foul and noxious flavor. It tastes like moldy soap to me and I can very easy detect it food.
I avoid foods with Cilantro like the plague.

which is a shame because it's quite common in Tex/mex and Asian cooking. :sad:

wa:do


You do not understand the question it seems. Food did not evolve for people, that is the truth. So why does it appear it did evolve for people and animals? That was the question.
 

secret2

Member
You do not understand the question it seems.

She does. You, on the other hand, are asking all the misguided questions.

Food did not evolve for people, that is the truth.

Glad that you finally got something right.

So why does it appear it did evolve for people and animals? That was the question.

It really doesn't appear so to me, and to many others. Have you thought about the possibility that perhaps it appears so to you because of some prejudice you have?
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
It really doesn't appear so to me, and to many others.

That is simply amazing! Food is just about the number one desire of billions of people. They eat because it feels and tastes good. So it DOES appear the evolution of plant life is cooperating for man and beast.
 

jake0333

Member
Well, the fruits we eat today are the results of centuries of controlled breeding. Most wild fruits aren't that tempting for humans.

The fruits of various plants are used for seed dispersal by having hooks and thorns that get stuck in the fur animals or by being tasty, just to give two examples. Plants that developed mechanisms that meant that their seeds were able to get further away from the mother plant, even if it was just a tiny bit, gained an advantage and were more likely to spread and survive.

The thing we most often call fruits are parts we and other animals eat, and then the seeds are dispersed unharmed together with excrement, which gives a good boost when it comes to growing. Some fruits are buried by animals that hoard and are thus "planted". Fruits that were tasty, if only a little, were more likely to get eaten or saved as food. The plants never chose to produce tasty fruits, but the ones that had tastier fruits than the others were more likely to survive and spread.

When it comes to poisonous fruits that are toxic to humans, they are often tolerated by other species.

To use a simplified fictional example:
1. A plant produces bitter fruits. None of the unicorns want to eat it.
2. A mutation blocks the part that produces the bitterness and thus the fruit tastes more neutral. A few unicorns start eating it and the fruit with the neutral taste becomes the dominant one after many generations.
3. Another mutations leads a big amount of the sugars produced by the plants into the fruits. Now the unicorns all go crazy about it and eat lots of it! Soon the sweet fruit is dominant.

" how does a tree knows what it's fruit should taste like to humans? so it makes them so sweet with tempting smell, looks and colors? why the fruit supply us with important nurtrients and it's not posionous? "

So trees uses this mechanism to spread it's seeds around by temping mammals into it's tasty fruits? it took advantage of mammals to spread it's seed around?

A tree is with ears, eyes and conscious intelligent mind for it to be able to choose to do so? it can see it's surrounding environments and it can understand how to trick mammals?

evolution is with ears, eyes and conscious intelligent mind also? :facepalm:
Thank you for openning my eyes to the truth.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
You do not understand the question it seems. Food did not evolve for people, that is the truth. So why does it appear it did evolve for people and animals? That was the question.

Cause organisms appear to have intent but being conscious of it is not common. Aside from that plants were eaten cause they were the first to produce the calories we need which is essentially sugar. We are powered by it at the chemical level. So you ask how come what we are powered by taste good. Cause we need it.
 

secret2

Member
I think there is nobody who wonders if the process of evolution is perceptive. It is God Who Is perceptive. That was the point of the post I believe.

I thought the point was that failure to realize complexity can emerge from simple rules (or algorithms) drives people to attribute everything to magic.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
evolution is with ears, eyes and conscious intelligent mind also?
Evolution is the emergent property changing life forms over generations in the stochastic system comprising
gene mutation, changing environment, reproduction & natural selection. Does this clear things up?
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I thought the point was that failure to realize complexity can emerge from simple rules (or algorithms) drives people to attribute everything to magic.

I understand you call it magic. I do not call it magic. It is design.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Evolution has no more need to have a "will" than a dropled of water must "want" to assume a roughly spherical shape, or magnets to react to each other.

That is just how things happen; they often assume fairly organized patterns guided by the environment and by their own properties.

Does that indicate a creator with a purpose? Perhaps. I guess everyone must reach their own conclusions on this matter. But denying that new species arise of existing ones out of religious conviction makes no more sense than denying that magnets react to each other.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Its chance, cosmic lottery.

If the Universe was simple and much more time had occurred since the beginning I would even believe you. I know math a little. I realize how many successful changes (without direction) needed to occur to get what we have and I can't believe enough time has passed for it. When counting one must consider all the unsuccessful changes too.
 

JoeZen

Member
To be aware is one thing. For consciousnesses to be aware of consciousness itself is another. You are pure consciousness :)
 
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