pegg said:
have you read the hebrew scriptures?
Have you?
pegg said:
It is a record of the nations breaking of the covenant and Gods anger at them for doing so.
Is that all you got out of the Hebrew scriptures, which you would call the Old Testament (OT)?
Look, I am not the one who believe in miracles and all, but I do know how to read ancient literature.
Sure, there are many things I probably don't understand, because I am limited by not being a follower of either Jewish or Christian inner teachings. There are lot of symbols that I don't understand, customs and rituals that seemed senseless to me, as well as being outdated.
But is that all you really see the Jews, past and present? Breakers of covenants?
Then, it would seemed that you don't understand the Hebrew scriptures at all, or the people that were presented in the narrative of your OT.
The OT stories are not just about Hebrews, Israelites, Jews or whatever you want to call them having "records" of turning away from God; it is also about them being able to find their way back to God. And this God, if you truly believe that he is loving, forgiving or merciful god that Christians teaches and have taught, then he would always accept them back in the fold, and forgive them. For every warning and punishment the OT god will inflict upon the descendants of Jacob as foretold by the prophets, there were also messages of forgiveness, reconciliation and acceptance.
You had quoted God's warnings, threats and punishments, and yet you also ignore that God had other messages that he would always be patient enough to accept them back and forgiving them.
I may not believe in the stories and I may not be at all convince at the stories, but I understand the stories, far better than you.
You'd seem ready to believed that already they have gone to Christian hell that fundamental Christians are so fond of believing. The hell that doesn't exist in Judaism or in the Hebrew Scriptures. That's because hell was a foreign concept that Christians borrowed from the Egyptians and Greeks during the Hellenistic period or the late Second Temple period. But that's beside the point.
Your Jesus told you not to judge others, not to persecute others, but it would seem that such simple advice he had given to you, is a lot harder to follow.
You've already pass judgement upon them, and have already condemn them. You are quite ready to blame Jews for this so-called broken covenants, but you have failed to grasp what the covenants are really all about.
Warning: sidetrack again. And the Christian teaching of God condemning man for eternity in hell, seemed to be even a worse tyrant than that of Jewish teaching. This teaching of eternal reward and eternal torment is sadistic in the extreme.
But getting back to the point about covenant. Where does Jesus say that god that the Jews have broken the covenant and then decided that no more dealing with Jews? Where Jesus say that Jews are no longer parts if God's covenants?
Jesus never said no such things.
I don't believe in no mad BS rantings of the Book of Revelation, but according to Christian teachings, all of it is supposed to be prophecies of the coming apocalypses and Jesus' second coming. In all the death and destruction that were to come, it clearly stated that 144,000 people would be saved, would come from the twelve tribes of Israel.
Israelites, not Christians, will be saved, in the Revelation's apocalypse. If that crap of literature (Revelation) is supposed to be true, then this god of yours, is not done with the Jews...not unless you think this author John or your god is lying.
But Christians, such as yourself, are good at twisting words around to suit church teachings, so that there are no Hebrew context but that of propaganda in replacement theology.
Editor's notes: I had edited my post, which I wrote late last night, before I went to bed. Just reworded so it make more sense. :sorry1: