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Pornography poll

Should pornography be bannes? If so, is it because or partially because it exploits women?

  • yes, should be banned, it exploits women

    Votes: 22 17.2%

  • yes, should be banned, does not exploit women

    Votes: 4 3.1%

  • no, should not be banned, exploits women

    Votes: 38 29.7%

  • no, should not be banned, does not exploit women

    Votes: 64 50.0%
  • Total voters
    128
Horrorble

Horrorble

Well-Known Member
Gjallarhorn said:
What I mean is, there is a difference between male-centered media and media centered on men that like to dominate, suppress, and generally abuse women, so to equate male-centered with "phallocentric" comes off to me as assuming all men desire such abusive media.

I'm sorry if that's not your implication.
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Nope I don't believe all men desire such media. In fact there are men on the forum who are very forward in expressing that they don't want such media.

In fact phallocentric can imply that anyone with a penis favours such media but that isn't what it means.
 
Sha'irullah

Sha'irullah

رسول الآلهة
Porn without a doubt exploits women but the catch is "they want to be exploited". Porn actresses are no victims whatsoever but they are surely not empowered like certain feminist claim.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Sterling Archer said:
Porn without a doubt exploits women but the catch is "they want to be exploited". Porn actresses are no victims whatsoever but they are surely not empowered like certain feminist claim.
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A state of empowerment would be for the individual woman to achieve.
Certainly, it is not up to someone else to proclaim whether she is or is not.
 
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Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
freethinker44 said:
Similar to how any other employer keeps most of the profits from their employees work.
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Except that in other industries, the workers aren't almost entirely composed of victims of childhood sexual abuse who want out of the industry but don't know what else they're good for.
 
Me Myself

Me Myself

Back to my username
Horrorble said:
Amen sister! The fact is we don't know if every act in a porn scene is consensual. We do know that women have been rape in porn because they have said so! And their rape is out there for everyone with an internet connection to jerk off to.
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Maybe that happens with children who act on movies.

Hw do you know they are not being exploited by their parents? Yet the fruit of their labor is there, for everyone to get their fix of drama while they only wanted to play and do homework like normal children.

How dare you watch tv with child actors?
 
Skwim

Skwim

Veteran Member
Alceste said:
Except that in other industries, the workers aren't almost entirely composed of victims of childhood sexual abuse who want out of the industry but don't know what else they're good for.
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That sounds like an extremely gross exaggeration. What's your evidence?
 
WyattDerp

WyattDerp

Active Member
Revoltingest said:
A state of empowerment would be for the individual woman to achieve.
Certainly, it is not up to someone else to proclaim whether she is or is not.
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:no:

lemmefixthatrealquick.

A state of empowerment would be for the individual woman to achieve.

Certainly, it is not up to someone else to achieve it for her.

However, it is up to anyone to proclaim whether she is or is not; people don't necessarily have sound judgement of themselves or unsound judgement of others, that depends on the individual case.
 
Me Myself

Me Myself

Back to my username
WyattDerp said:
:no:

lemmefixthatrealquick.

A state of empowerment would be for the individual woman to achieve.

Certainly, it is not up to someone else to achieve it for her.

However, it is up to anyone to proclaim whether she is or is not; people don't necessarily have sound judgement of themselves or unsound judgement of others, that depends on the individual case.
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In any case, taking the right away from. Women to do what they want with their bodies for money when they are not hurting anyone is not empowering anyone. Equally so with men.

Porn is not bad in itself.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
WyattDerp said:
:no:
lemmefixthatrealquick.
A state of empowerment would be for the individual woman to achieve.
Certainly, it is not up to someone else to achieve it for her.
However, it is up to anyone to proclaim whether she is or is not; people don't necessarily have sound judgement of themselves or unsound judgement of others, that depends on the individual case.
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Yes, we certainly cannot leave it up to women to make important decisions for themselves.
They could make the wrong decision...one not approved of by polite society!
Government, generally old men, should limit their freedom to control their own bodies....for their own good.
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Alceste said:
Just as a pimp exploits his prostitutes (gains unfairly from someone else's efforts), a porn producer exploits their actors.

An independent prostitute or porn actor who gains the entire proceeds of the work is perhaps not exploited, or at least not to the same degree.
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So anyone who isn't self-employed is being exploited?
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Ya know what I love about threads like this? It really separates the "true" liberals (ie, libertarians) from the "modern" liberals (ie, progressive statists).
The latter are all in favor of abortion because: "A woman should control her own body, not the government! Hands off my uterus!". But as soon as a
woman gets too independent, & begins to earn some honest coin by controlling her body without harming anyone else (not even a fetus), they're all:
"Women are victims! They can't be trusted to make this decision!" For once, I get to rub some faux liberal noses in their conservatism.
 
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Sha'irullah

Sha'irullah

رسول الآلهة
Revoltingest said:
A state of empowerment would be for the individual woman to achieve.
Certainly, it is not up to someone else to proclaim whether she is or is not.
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That is my point exactly. I do not believe a woman would go on a camera and be boinked because she doesn't like it or feel exploited. I am being sarcastic about exploitation.
It seems to be a viewpoint of some feminist that women are empowered by porn although some say the reverse. Empowerment is felt by the individual but in reality men just look down on pornographic actresses. So on a certain level I do not see how it can empower anybody unless the female is ignorant about how men view her.
But if a girl feels empowered by looking like a whore on screen then all power to them :D
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Sterling Archer said:
But if a girl feels empowered by looking like a whore on screen then all power to them :D
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So you oppose women playing whores in movies, eg, Pretty Woman, Risky Business, Midnight Cowboy, Full Metal Jacket, Klute, Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me, Taxi Driver.
I respect many actors who've played whores. After all, it's just acting. But I don't disrespect prostitutes either....a guy has to make a living somehow.
 
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