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How to convert a Hindu
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Sumit
Sanatana Dharma
Yes :yes:
Ancestors of Indian, pakistani and Bangladeshi muslims were Hindu but were converted forcefully during Mugal Period so can you tell me where are Hindu ethos of these muslims?? Same with Christianity. When cheif minister of Madhya Pradesh Shri Shivraj Singh Chauhan asked all government school students to persorm Surya Namaskar collectively to make a record. Why Christians and Muslims opposed?? This is just a small incidence, there are lot more.
Those people lived under Mughal rule and under various laws which made practicing Hinduism difficult. No such problem is present in India today. The example does not work
Sumit
Sanatana Dharma
If you close your eyes that does not mean that problem is absent. Go and do ground research. I did so I know and if you don't want to believe than simply neglect.
If you have collected data then please present it. If others have done so, please present their data
Sumit
Sanatana Dharma
It looks like Jesus have copyright over truth. We simply don't need Jesus or his teachings. We had hundreds of great sages and their writings to guide us. Go and teach about Jesus to those Christians who are moving to atheism in west.
nameless
The Creator
Do you mean an online research? i dont think that would help. As said by vistascan if you have any materials on that, pls present it here.
If you're going to give analogies, at least get your names right. It's the Higgs Boson, postulated by Peter Higgs.
Also I've noticed the parts of the Bible where Jesus denies salvation to those who do not believe in him.
"no one goes to the father except through me"
And since you're talking about how Jesus preached 100% love for one's neighbour, why not read the following words of his?
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. [But not to Samaritans]
(Matthew 10:5-8)
And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
(Matthew 15:22-27)
He says the same thing (the exact same thing, in fact, suggesting that the stories are probably homologous) to a Greek woman in Mark:
For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet:
The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.
But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
(Mark 7:25-27)
Maya3
Well-Known Member
Well good for Jesus. I'm glad he found what he felt was the truth.
Please answer my post earlier in this thread (number 32)
Maya
Frankly, I'm not actually convinced we all climb the same mountain.
But I do see a relevance for somebody in all faiths, certainly, for the simple fact is we have them and others see relevance there.
Pleas, please, this is the Hindu DIR, and not a place for proseltysing, unless you clearly misunderstood the sarcasm in the thread title.
Sumit
Sanatana Dharma
I mean ground or offline research.
Online material?? you already said that it won't work. So what type of proof you need?? I already posted a link that shows how rapidly christian population is increasing. For further info you should meet those who converted.
John Martin
Active Member
Dear Vinayaka,
I am very sorry. I think I misunderstood the Forum. I have no intention to proselyte anyone and I will stop posting. Thanks for your generous intervention
I am very sorry. I think I misunderstood the Forum. I have no intention to proselyte anyone and I will stop posting. Thanks for your generous intervention
John Martin
Active Member
Dear Maya,
I am very sorry. I realize that I have completely misunderstood the Forum. I am in the wrong place and I stop posting. Thanks for your patience.
I am very sorry. I realize that I have completely misunderstood the Forum. I am in the wrong place and I stop posting. Thanks for your patience.
For those people in the west who doubt that conversion of Hindus is a real problem, and the reason I started this thread, I've collected a few more links that point out the problem. There are many more. It is a very real problem, and there are many Hindu organizations that are doing their utter best to combat it. But a crucial issue is the amount of western money put into it. One of these links had the figure in the billions, not millions. It's also not just Hindus who are involved in this 'fight', but also several Human Rights groups, who realise the truth and injustice of the factor. I think the world woke up to this type of atrocity when the large Buddha statue in Afghanistan was blown apart. I've been to a couple of major Hindu temples in the southern state of Tamil Nadu that had airport style security at the gates, just so bombs couldn't get in. So people are afraid ... but mostly just about losing their rights to practice faith.
Look what happened to the indigenous peoples of the Americas. A lot of knowledge and over 500 languages were lost because of another culture's firepower dominance and subsequent almost total annihilation of the cultures. It's sad.
Death Of Hinduism
Christianity in India: Invasion through Conversion | Promote Liberty
Christian Aggression - Conversions: Facts and Figures
Christian Conversion in Andhra Pradesh- A case sheet | Arise Bharat
Look what happened to the indigenous peoples of the Americas. A lot of knowledge and over 500 languages were lost because of another culture's firepower dominance and subsequent almost total annihilation of the cultures. It's sad.
Death Of Hinduism
Christianity in India: Invasion through Conversion | Promote Liberty
Christian Aggression - Conversions: Facts and Figures
Christian Conversion in Andhra Pradesh- A case sheet | Arise Bharat
And I do hope you can take a deep look within yourself and your Catholic ashram and ask yourself seriously if you're helping the Malayalam people at all. However, if history repeats itself, I don't see that likely to happen. Generally when someone is outed, they just dig their heels in deeper, and get even sneakier.
But, just like in the movie Bridge on the River Kwai, and what happened to the commander at the end, sometimes people do see the light finally and stop their activities. I'm sure there would be a Benedictine monastery in France that would welcome you with open arms.
nameless
The Creator
i think there was slight misunderstanding, i should have said it bit clearer, actually i was not denying what you said. Im very well aware of the situation you stated here(me from kerala and things are more worse in here), but could not find any reliable sources(online) for that, i thought you would be having some materials to share since you have done some research, ok.. yours was offline research, got your point. Thanks.
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In the last few days I've done a lot of reflection and research. This HaindavaKeralam - Atma Jyoti Ashram: Sannyasins or Swindlers? is the best article I found on the phenomena.
It's a slow process to be sure, but has an inevitable end, annihilation of the culture and religion. Whether or not this particular situation will actually become that remains to be seen. But it did happen in many other places of the world, although more drastic and violent (poisoning by smallpox, for example) were used. But very major steps have been achieved already, namely to get the converts working for you. Then the 'locals' so to speak can take over.
A sad point from the article that the once very Hindu journal coming out of Ramanashram at Tiruvanamalai is laced with articles of the Christian nature. As a Hindu, I would just like the opportunity to be able to be reborn in a place on the planet that still has unadulterated Hinduism so I can follow that tradition (again) in the soul's path to its ultimate destiny. Perhaps Mauritius, even America, will be more conducive to this. The government of Mauritius, a majority Hindu country, although smaller, is far more supportive of the Hindu cause than India. India may indeed be a totally lost cause now. I'm really not sure. It still has it's beautiful array of ancient temples, but like Egypt or Angkor Wat before it, perhaps those too will one day be replaced with crosses instead of lingams and Dandapani murthis.
One strength we have that others didn't is numbers. With 30% gone, there's still another 600 million of us to 'harvest'.
It's a slow process to be sure, but has an inevitable end, annihilation of the culture and religion. Whether or not this particular situation will actually become that remains to be seen. But it did happen in many other places of the world, although more drastic and violent (poisoning by smallpox, for example) were used. But very major steps have been achieved already, namely to get the converts working for you. Then the 'locals' so to speak can take over.
A sad point from the article that the once very Hindu journal coming out of Ramanashram at Tiruvanamalai is laced with articles of the Christian nature. As a Hindu, I would just like the opportunity to be able to be reborn in a place on the planet that still has unadulterated Hinduism so I can follow that tradition (again) in the soul's path to its ultimate destiny. Perhaps Mauritius, even America, will be more conducive to this. The government of Mauritius, a majority Hindu country, although smaller, is far more supportive of the Hindu cause than India. India may indeed be a totally lost cause now. I'm really not sure. It still has it's beautiful array of ancient temples, but like Egypt or Angkor Wat before it, perhaps those too will one day be replaced with crosses instead of lingams and Dandapani murthis.
One strength we have that others didn't is numbers. With 30% gone, there's still another 600 million of us to 'harvest'.
Maya3
Well-Known Member
Honestly I find the article biased and not very well written.
It uses statements that sounds no better than a Christian like say Pat Robertsson when he speaks of Hindu ritual in a negative way.
This just sound homophobic:
This sounds as if Christian is using blood or sacrificing animals or something in their rituals, when in fact they are just drinking wine.
I don't deny that it is wrong to try to seem Hindu to make people feel at home and not notice that they are actually being converted slowly. Kind of like the boiling the frog syndrome.
But I don't think that there is anything wrong with universalism. It's only wrong if you pretend it is universal to get people to a different religion, or if it is trying to change a religion.
Another thing that strikes me is that all these missionaries who are trying to mix it up, may actually be the ones who have been converted. They see that Hinduism is a smarter way to believe (especially in this day and age when humanity knows so much and you don't have to pretend that you don't believe in evolution for example), but maybe they are scared of hell so they hold on to Jesus some way?
At least JM seems nervous about answering questions directly, you asked about reincarnation and I asked about the Resurrection and we both got very long winded answers.
The Resurrection actually means that your physical body comes back to life when Jesus comes back, no matter how long it's been dead. That is what Easter is about.
Maya
It uses statements that sounds no better than a Christian like say Pat Robertsson when he speaks of Hindu ritual in a negative way.
This just sound homophobic:
This sounds as if Christian is using blood or sacrificing animals or something in their rituals, when in fact they are just drinking wine.
I don't deny that it is wrong to try to seem Hindu to make people feel at home and not notice that they are actually being converted slowly. Kind of like the boiling the frog syndrome.
But I don't think that there is anything wrong with universalism. It's only wrong if you pretend it is universal to get people to a different religion, or if it is trying to change a religion.
Another thing that strikes me is that all these missionaries who are trying to mix it up, may actually be the ones who have been converted. They see that Hinduism is a smarter way to believe (especially in this day and age when humanity knows so much and you don't have to pretend that you don't believe in evolution for example), but maybe they are scared of hell so they hold on to Jesus some way?
At least JM seems nervous about answering questions directly, you asked about reincarnation and I asked about the Resurrection and we both got very long winded answers.
The Resurrection actually means that your physical body comes back to life when Jesus comes back, no matter how long it's been dead. That is what Easter is about.
Maya
@Maya mostly: I like diversity. As a traditionalist, I still like diversity. Then each individual has more room to select what suits them best. If universalism is your choice, then that's fine. If it's Hindu universalism, fine. If a Christian-Hindu blend is your choice, then that's fine too. Straight traditional Islam is fine too, as long as violence against minorities isn't part of the equation, like the possible upcoming genocide in Bangladesh. I think most of humanity stand against such atrocities. At least I would hope so.
So it's freedom in the end. I know I've sounded harsh here some days, but actually it's defensive posturing just to save tradition, because I see the lights of tradition being extinguished. I don't believe I'm on the offensive, trying to convert others to my tradition. It's more of a "I will leave you alone, but please extend the same courtesy by you leaving me alone." Hopefully there is a future for both sets ...liberal and traditional.
Certainly universalism and syncretic combinations all have their place, but hopefully not at the expense of the traditionalists, in all faiths, not just SD. It is a free country, in most countries, after all.
Traditional Hinduism is not radical violent narrow-minded as some people would have you believe. It's just that it's what works for some people, and that includes me. When someone accuses me of missing out on something special, and wishing that I could change my mind, I see great irony in that.
So it's freedom in the end. I know I've sounded harsh here some days, but actually it's defensive posturing just to save tradition, because I see the lights of tradition being extinguished. I don't believe I'm on the offensive, trying to convert others to my tradition. It's more of a "I will leave you alone, but please extend the same courtesy by you leaving me alone." Hopefully there is a future for both sets ...liberal and traditional.
Certainly universalism and syncretic combinations all have their place, but hopefully not at the expense of the traditionalists, in all faiths, not just SD. It is a free country, in most countries, after all.
Traditional Hinduism is not radical violent narrow-minded as some people would have you believe. It's just that it's what works for some people, and that includes me. When someone accuses me of missing out on something special, and wishing that I could change my mind, I see great irony in that.