According to the author who just happens to be Paul.
We have to take Paul's word on this once again.....
Luke wrote Acts but where did he get his information from?????
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Self appointed Apostle Paul Vs Yashu'a teaching
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Luke wrote Acts but where did he get his information from?????
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
This is where you're not following. I gave chapter and verse where scripture states that Paul followed the Law, as a whole. It wasn't just one or two laws, it was the entirety of the Law.
There are no lists that scripture gives that states which laws Paul followed (nor is there such for Jesus) because they followed the entirety of the Law.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
That's a million dollar question. I personally only used Luke because Ibraahiym seems to like him (or at least see him as credible). But for all intensive purposes, Luke could just be making this stuff up. I would probably put more weight on Luke having multiple sources (none of which are Paul), and then doing a lot of guess work.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
It was the Jerusalem Apostles who made the unanimous decision regarding the mosaic law...It was the Apostle Peter who first baptized a gentile and saw holy spirit descend upon gentiles who did not observe the mosaic law. Prior to this time, they believed that for a person to recieve holy spirit, they must observe the mosiac law...but after JEsus returned to heaven, this requirement changed and God gave holy spirit to people of the nations who had never known him:
Acts 15:6 And the apostles and the older men gathered together to see about this affair. 7 Now when much disputing had taken place, Peter rose and said to them: Men, brothers, YOU well know that from early days God made the choice among YOU that through my mouth people of the nations should hear the word of the good news and believe; 8 and God, who knows the heart, bore witness by giving them the holy spirit, just as he did to us also. 9 And he made no distinction at all between us and them, but purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now, therefore, why are YOU making a test of God by imposing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke that neither our forefathers nor we were capable of bearing? 11 On the contrary, we trust to get saved through the undeserved kindness of the Lord Jesus in the same way as those people also. 12 At that the entire multitude became silent, and they began to listen to Bar′na·bas and Paul relate the many signs and portents that God did through them among the nations. 13 After they quit speaking, James answered, saying: Men, brothers, hear me. 14 Sym′e·on has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name. 15 And with this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written, 16 After these things I shall return and rebuild the booth of David that is fallen down; and I shall rebuild its ruins and erect it again, 17 in order that those who remain of the men may earnestly seek Jehovah, together with people of all the nations, people who are called by my name, says Jehovah, who is doing these things, 18 known from of old. 19 Hence my decision is not to trouble those from the nations who are turning to God, 20 but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. 21 For from ancient times Moses has had in city after city those who preach him, because he is read aloud in the synagogues on every sabbath. 22 Then the apostles and the older men together with the whole congregation favored sending chosen men from among them to Antioch along with Paul and Bar′na·bas, namely, Judas who was called Bar′sab·bas and Silas, leading men among the brothers; 23 and by their hand they wrote: The apostles and the older men, brothers, to those brothers in Antioch and Syria and Ci·li′cia who are from the nations: Greetings! 24 Since we have heard that some from among us have caused YOU trouble with speeches, trying to subvert YOUR souls, although we did not give them any instructions, 25 we have come to a unanimous accord and have favored choosing men to send to YOU together with our loved ones, Bar′na·bas and Paul, 26 men that have delivered up their souls for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We are therefore dispatching Judas and Silas, that they also may report the same things by word. 28 For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to YOU, except these necessary things, 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!
This letter that the aposltles in Jerusalem had written and given to Paul and Barnabas to take to the new gentile congregations was a clear unanimous decision by the Jerusalem congregation that obedience to the mosaic law was not a requirement to become a Christian. They came to this decision based on the evidence that God was now choosing gentiles to join Christs brotherhood. They were being blessed with holy spirit even before they were getting baptized as was the case with Cornelius and his household.
If anyone wanted to claim that these people must submit to the mosaic law, they were absolutely wrong because why would God give holy spirit to someone if they were not adherents (not even circumsized) to the mosaic law??? That was the evidence that God was now doing things differently.....now the requirement was 'faith' not 'works of law'
So it wasnt Paul who changed this. It wasnt Paul who first baptized gentiles. It wasnt Paul who decided the Mosaic law was no longer necessary. It was the 12 Apostles and Older men in Jerusalem.
Why don't The Christians Practice The Sabbath on the same day such as Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Christ did , If they say they follow his Laws ? And you know they know because The Seven Day Adventists and The Jehovah's Witnesses Do ( Mark 2 ; 27 ) . Christian don't pray like Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Prayed . You know what gets me , And I want to ask you . Why is the Pope always Seen Prostrating ? ( Matthew 14 ; 23 , 26 ; 39 ) .
Mark 2 ; 27 , Where It States ; And He Said Unto Them , The Sabbath Was Made For Man And Not Man For The Sabbath . < King Jame ( Hebrew - Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
Matthew 14 ; 23 ,Where It States ; And When He Had Sent The Multitudes Away , He Went Up Into A Mountain Apart To Pray ; And When The Evening Was Come , He Was There Alone . < King Jame ( Hebrew - Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
Matthew 26 ; 39 ,Where It States ; And He Went A Little Farther And Fell On His Face And Prayed Saying O My Father If It Be Possible Let This Cup Pass From Me Nevertheless Not As I Will But As Thou Wilt . < King Jame ( Hebrew - Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
So I'm just asking , What Laws are the Christians following ? When they say they follow Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus footstep and are waiting for his return someday ? During the time of Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus the Children of Israel had strayed far , Far away from The Laws that Thoth - Moses ( Moses ) , Son of Amram and Jochebed , Taught and Followed , He was the one sent to deliver the Children of Israel from the land of ( Egypt ) ,
( In which they were in Captivity for over 430 years ( Exodus 12 ; 40 ) . Remember the twelve tribes were brought into the land of Egypt by way of Joseph ( Son of Jacob ) by his favorite wife Rachel ( Exodus 1 ; 5 - 7 ) , After Thutmose ( Moses ) successfully released the children of Israel out of Bondage , He was given A Set of Laws , Commandments , And Tablets so that the children of Israel could obey his Instructions . ( Exodus 24 ; 12 ) .
Exodus 12 ; 40 , Where It States ; Now The Sojourning Of The Children Of Israel , Who Dwelt In Egypt , Was Four Hundred And Thirty Years . < King Jame ( Hebrew - Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
Exodus 1 ; 5 - 7 , Where It States ; And All The Soul That Came Out Of The Loins Of Jacob Were Seventy Souls ; For Joseph Was In Egypt Already . ( 6 ) . And Joseph Died , And All His Breathren And All That Generation . ( 7 ) . And The Children Of Isreal Were Fruithful , And Increased Abundantly , And Multiplied , And Waxed Exceeding Mighty ; And The Land Was Filled With Them . < King Jame ( Hebrew - Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
Exodus 24 ; 12 , Where It States ; And The LORD Said Unto Moses , Come Up To Me Into The Mount , And Be There ; And I Will Give Thee Tables Of Stone , And A Law And Commandment Which I Have Written That Thou Mayest Teach Them . < King Jame ( Hebrew - Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
Thutmose ( Moses ) received his Scriptures in portions ; They are often referred to as '' Pentateuch '' . Derived from the Greek for '' Five Scrolls '' , This term applies collectively to the first Five books of the Old Testament , These are the Five Books of the Old Testament .
Genesis completed in ( 1512 B.C.E. ) , Exodus completed in ( 1512 B.C.E. ) , Leviticus completed in ( 1512 B.C.E. ) , Numbers completed in ( 1473 B.C.E. ) , Deuteronomy completed in ( 1473 B.C.E. ) ..
In Ashuric Syriac ( Arabic ) these books are referred to as At Tawraah - arabic . This word originates from the Ashuric Syriac ( Arabic ) Root word ''Wara'a - arabic - and its meaning may be expressed in the well known saying '' Seeing Is Believing '' .
The ( Aramic ) Hebrew name for these books is '' Torah '' - aramic - which means '' Law '' Or '' Teaching '' In the sense of divine instruction . Many people think that the Old Testament consists of 39 Books , However , The Torah that was inspired to Thutmose ( Moses ) only consisted of five books ; Genesis , Exodus , Leviticus , Numbers , and Deuteronomy .
A ) Genesis - Arabic - At Takwin / Modern Hebrew < Bara****h - aramic > meaning '' The Reconstruction '' or '' The Very Beginning '' from the Greek word Ghennaysis 50 Chapters revealed in 1512 B.C.E. was given to the Prophet / Apostle Moses in Syraic ( Ancient ) Arabic at the age of 80 in the wilderness , In 1512 B.C.E. This book contains the account of man's creation , the great flood of the Prophet / Apostle Noah's ( 2970 - 2020 B.C.E. ) , son of Lamech , time and a large record of early history of the Prophet Adam ( 4026 - 3096 B.C.E. ) down to Joseph ( 1818 - 1708 B.C.E . ) the son of Jacob ( 1918 - 1771 B.C.E. ) .
B ) The Book of Exodus - Arabic , Al Khuruw / in Modern Hebrew < Shimut - aramic > meaning '' Names '' or '' Departure , Going Out '' from the Greek word Ex meaning '' Out of , From '' and Dod meaning '' Way '' 40 Chapters revealed in 1512 B.C.E. The Prophet / Apostle Moses received the book in Syriac ( Ancient ) Arabic and Hebrew in the wilderness in 1512 B.C.E. This book entails recordings of the history of the Children of Israel and their journey to the land Canaan under the leadership of The Prophet / Apostle Moses .
C ) The Book of Leviticus - Arabic Al Lawin , / in Modern Hebrew Wayikra - aramic - Which means '' The Law '' . The Prophet / Apostle Moses received the book in Syriac ( Ancient ) Arabic / Aramic / Hebrew while in the in the wilderness in 1512 B.C.E. The book entails the laws concerning morals , cleanliness , dietary habits , etc . 27 Chapters reavealed in 1512 B.C.E.
D ) The Book of Numbers - Arabic - Al Adad / in Modern Hebrew < Bimidbar - aramic > Which mean '' Counting the People '' . The revelation was received by The Prophet / Apostle Moses in 1512 B.C.E. The book entails the laws concerning morals , cleanliness , dietary habits , etc 36 Chapters revealed in 1473 B.C.E.
E ) The Book Deuteronomy - Arabic Al Tathniyah / in Modern Hebrew < Dibarim - aramic > Literally means '' The Repetition of the Law '' This book was given to The Prophet / Apostle Moses in Syriac Arabic in the Plains of Moab during 1473 B.C.E. . This books contains accounts of the end of The Prophet / Apostle Moses' days with the Rebellious Israelites and the beginning of their destruction . The last two chapters of Deuteronomy was received by his brother , the Prophet Aaron ( 1596 - 1473 B.C.E. ) . 34 Chapters revealed in 1473 B.C.E.
More in next post when I get back .
Mark 2 ; 27 , Where It States ; And He Said Unto Them , The Sabbath Was Made For Man And Not Man For The Sabbath . < King Jame ( Hebrew - Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
Matthew 14 ; 23 ,Where It States ; And When He Had Sent The Multitudes Away , He Went Up Into A Mountain Apart To Pray ; And When The Evening Was Come , He Was There Alone . < King Jame ( Hebrew - Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
Matthew 26 ; 39 ,Where It States ; And He Went A Little Farther And Fell On His Face And Prayed Saying O My Father If It Be Possible Let This Cup Pass From Me Nevertheless Not As I Will But As Thou Wilt . < King Jame ( Hebrew - Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
So I'm just asking , What Laws are the Christians following ? When they say they follow Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus footstep and are waiting for his return someday ? During the time of Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus the Children of Israel had strayed far , Far away from The Laws that Thoth - Moses ( Moses ) , Son of Amram and Jochebed , Taught and Followed , He was the one sent to deliver the Children of Israel from the land of ( Egypt ) ,
( In which they were in Captivity for over 430 years ( Exodus 12 ; 40 ) . Remember the twelve tribes were brought into the land of Egypt by way of Joseph ( Son of Jacob ) by his favorite wife Rachel ( Exodus 1 ; 5 - 7 ) , After Thutmose ( Moses ) successfully released the children of Israel out of Bondage , He was given A Set of Laws , Commandments , And Tablets so that the children of Israel could obey his Instructions . ( Exodus 24 ; 12 ) .
Exodus 12 ; 40 , Where It States ; Now The Sojourning Of The Children Of Israel , Who Dwelt In Egypt , Was Four Hundred And Thirty Years . < King Jame ( Hebrew - Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
Exodus 1 ; 5 - 7 , Where It States ; And All The Soul That Came Out Of The Loins Of Jacob Were Seventy Souls ; For Joseph Was In Egypt Already . ( 6 ) . And Joseph Died , And All His Breathren And All That Generation . ( 7 ) . And The Children Of Isreal Were Fruithful , And Increased Abundantly , And Multiplied , And Waxed Exceeding Mighty ; And The Land Was Filled With Them . < King Jame ( Hebrew - Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
Exodus 24 ; 12 , Where It States ; And The LORD Said Unto Moses , Come Up To Me Into The Mount , And Be There ; And I Will Give Thee Tables Of Stone , And A Law And Commandment Which I Have Written That Thou Mayest Teach Them . < King Jame ( Hebrew - Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
Thutmose ( Moses ) received his Scriptures in portions ; They are often referred to as '' Pentateuch '' . Derived from the Greek for '' Five Scrolls '' , This term applies collectively to the first Five books of the Old Testament , These are the Five Books of the Old Testament .
Genesis completed in ( 1512 B.C.E. ) , Exodus completed in ( 1512 B.C.E. ) , Leviticus completed in ( 1512 B.C.E. ) , Numbers completed in ( 1473 B.C.E. ) , Deuteronomy completed in ( 1473 B.C.E. ) ..
In Ashuric Syriac ( Arabic ) these books are referred to as At Tawraah - arabic . This word originates from the Ashuric Syriac ( Arabic ) Root word ''Wara'a - arabic - and its meaning may be expressed in the well known saying '' Seeing Is Believing '' .
The ( Aramic ) Hebrew name for these books is '' Torah '' - aramic - which means '' Law '' Or '' Teaching '' In the sense of divine instruction . Many people think that the Old Testament consists of 39 Books , However , The Torah that was inspired to Thutmose ( Moses ) only consisted of five books ; Genesis , Exodus , Leviticus , Numbers , and Deuteronomy .
A ) Genesis - Arabic - At Takwin / Modern Hebrew < Bara****h - aramic > meaning '' The Reconstruction '' or '' The Very Beginning '' from the Greek word Ghennaysis 50 Chapters revealed in 1512 B.C.E. was given to the Prophet / Apostle Moses in Syraic ( Ancient ) Arabic at the age of 80 in the wilderness , In 1512 B.C.E. This book contains the account of man's creation , the great flood of the Prophet / Apostle Noah's ( 2970 - 2020 B.C.E. ) , son of Lamech , time and a large record of early history of the Prophet Adam ( 4026 - 3096 B.C.E. ) down to Joseph ( 1818 - 1708 B.C.E . ) the son of Jacob ( 1918 - 1771 B.C.E. ) .
B ) The Book of Exodus - Arabic , Al Khuruw / in Modern Hebrew < Shimut - aramic > meaning '' Names '' or '' Departure , Going Out '' from the Greek word Ex meaning '' Out of , From '' and Dod meaning '' Way '' 40 Chapters revealed in 1512 B.C.E. The Prophet / Apostle Moses received the book in Syriac ( Ancient ) Arabic and Hebrew in the wilderness in 1512 B.C.E. This book entails recordings of the history of the Children of Israel and their journey to the land Canaan under the leadership of The Prophet / Apostle Moses .
C ) The Book of Leviticus - Arabic Al Lawin , / in Modern Hebrew Wayikra - aramic - Which means '' The Law '' . The Prophet / Apostle Moses received the book in Syriac ( Ancient ) Arabic / Aramic / Hebrew while in the in the wilderness in 1512 B.C.E. The book entails the laws concerning morals , cleanliness , dietary habits , etc . 27 Chapters reavealed in 1512 B.C.E.
D ) The Book of Numbers - Arabic - Al Adad / in Modern Hebrew < Bimidbar - aramic > Which mean '' Counting the People '' . The revelation was received by The Prophet / Apostle Moses in 1512 B.C.E. The book entails the laws concerning morals , cleanliness , dietary habits , etc 36 Chapters revealed in 1473 B.C.E.
E ) The Book Deuteronomy - Arabic Al Tathniyah / in Modern Hebrew < Dibarim - aramic > Literally means '' The Repetition of the Law '' This book was given to The Prophet / Apostle Moses in Syriac Arabic in the Plains of Moab during 1473 B.C.E. . This books contains accounts of the end of The Prophet / Apostle Moses' days with the Rebellious Israelites and the beginning of their destruction . The last two chapters of Deuteronomy was received by his brother , the Prophet Aaron ( 1596 - 1473 B.C.E. ) . 34 Chapters revealed in 1473 B.C.E.
More in next post when I get back .
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
Christians aren't Jews. Thus, they do not have follow the Jewish Law. Jesus would have recognized this, and Paul was quite clear on the fact.
Being the JW'S follow Multiple doctrine it's hard to keep up which one they're following at any given time
OK, I want to be fair here and I really hope you convince me because I would like to be convinced. The people who tell Luke most likely got it second or third hand from Paul himself. If Paul is the only one standing there who else can originate the story?
I believe Paul kept the law or at least made every attempt to, but my point is, we have to take Paul's word on that. Luke cannot make the account any more credible, so saying scriptures back this up is saying Paul and his followers back him up parroting what Paul himself told them.
Just like Paul said Jesus appeared to James to back his story, but James makes no mention of this and we have the writings of James.
Am I the only one who thinks this is strange. If my dead brother appeared to me and I wrote scripture, it might be worth mentioning.
Luke writes all this stuff to back up Paul, but there is no first hand references except once again, Paul himself.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
we dont observe a weekly sabbath.
Our sabbath is a little more involved then that. The original sabbath was a day of rest for the purpose of rejoicing in Jehovah and dedicating some time to worship.
But as a Jehovah's Witness, we enter a 'lifelong' sabbath by dedicating every day to our worship.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
If you took more time reading the bible then making up words game you might understand the bible more .
Now before you come with that Anti-jew games excuse do some research ok
The point that Jew is not synonymous to Israelite or Yahuwdiy - arabic - as you have been led to believe . First you must know that the letter '' J '' did not exist in English , Latin or Greek until 1565 A.D. The modern English '' J '' , was created by Peter Galatin in the year 1565 A.D. Before that , the letter '' G '' took the place of the letter '' J '' so the word '' Jew '' which was created in 1514 A.D. was spelled '' Gew '' and was short for Greeks . There was no '' J '' sound so there could not have been a word '' Jew '' as the Euro - Jews try to make you believe .
Now maybe we can get back to my question , Without all the word game .Those who know scriptures that is .
The Torah never spoke of these Euro-Jews . The Euro -Jews took the name Judah , who was the fourth son of Yaqov , Ya'aqub , Jacob ( Israel ) , and made up a new nationality . They took the first part of the title Judah and cut off the last pronuciation '' Ju -dah '' and then labeled themselves '' Jews '' or '' Jewish '' , Judahites , Jew is not a Hebrew word ! Their language is Yiddish ( a dialect which is a mixture of German and Heebrew ) . not Hebrew .
The word Jew did not exist until 1514 A.D. When you see it in the Koran you are being deceived . When you see it in the Holy Bible you are being deceived . Find out what the word Jew means in the Scriptures . In most cases it refers to Yehudaw , Yahudah , Judah . They call themselves Jews because they didn't have a place in the 12 tribes of Israel , so they call themselves Jews , Jewish and they speak Yiddish . These Eiro-Jews are trying to authenticate their existence by tying in to the peoples and cultures that actually existed , such as the Tribe of Judah . And books referring to the past saying Jew or Jewish , Know that was not the word that was there .
The Euro-Jews of today are descendants of the Canaanites as they are the decendants of Jebus
, the third son of Kena'an , Kana'an , Canaan . The word Jebusite means '' dryness '' ,
Genesis 10 ; 16 -17 , Revealed In The Year 1512 B.C.E. Where It States ; And The ( Jebusite ) , And The Amorite , And The Girgasite .Verse 17 And The ( Hivite ) , And The Arkite , And The Simite . < King James Version ( Hebrew -Greek ) Key Word Study Bible >
The Jebusites first ruled the Hurriantribe ( the Hivites ) and they joined together during the Jebusite reign . According to the Holy Bible , Jebusites inhabited Jerusalem , rhen were displaced by the incoming Israelites , who were leaving from their bondage in Mitsrayim , Misraayim , Mizraim ( Egypt ) . The Jebusites mixed with the Israelites from Egypt . This took place during the year 100 B.C.E. Today they are called Jews ( Occupying Jerusalem and living in America , Germany , Poland , Hungary , Romania , Australia , Bulgaria , and Yugoslavia .
I'm also aware that yall are taught words game to covert people . I'm speaking about the many version / doctrine / teaching that were change over the years ok !
outhouse
Atheistically
outhouse
Atheistically
The movement was widespread and different communities collected and compiled different and important literature to them.
These are just the surviving scriptures. A fraction of what once was.
These were the most popular though, and a great reason why they survived when others did not. Matthew edged out Luke in popularity and its why its listed first in the NT.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
i dont really understand what you mean. We dont convert people...its actually very difficult to become a JW, so conversion is certainly not our thing.
You don't have a real answer so now you think by picking out certain parts of the post will change the whole post , Not happening !!!
So now your going to tell me your doctrine have not change (Many Times ) over the Years , And JW's haven't written their own Bible Translation'ss . And your not taught away to convert people ? Ok , Can we get back to the subject of the post plzzz ?
You don't want to follow the scriptures ,You want the scriptures to follow you ! Your what the scriptures call A Paulites , One who adhere to the teaching of Paul and not the teaching of Yashu'a .
Shermana
Heretic
No. What Jesus taught and what Paul says in his epistles are two different things.
You will see that most Christian doctrine incorporates a whole lot of Paul (and even then, not even most of what he even says, but a few cherry picked verses) and not a whole lot of what Jesus teaches.
In fact, it seems most of the ones I talk to accuse you of being "legalist" if you insist on obeying what Jesus taught.