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Well, I can think of two examples offhand.Deut 13:1 said:Such as...?
I agree, Victor. The primary role of a biblical prophet was to serve as a mouthpiece for God. In Matthew 23:34, Jesus said, "Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city..." He is obviously speaking of something that is to take place in the future, since He is telling the people that they will kill the prophets He sends. When do you believe the role of a prophet changed to be something other than a mouthpiece for God?Victor said:From American Catholic:
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The primary role of a biblical prophet was quite simple: to serve as a mouthpiece for God. To these frequently beleaguered persons fell the unenviable task of being Israels conscience, of reminding the straying Israelites of their covenant obligations, of recalling for a forgetful people the real implications of being Gods chosen people.
http://www.americancatholic.org/Study/SFS/0-86716-392-5_prophets.asp
If they say something that is not in accord with the written word then I would argue that they are outside the bounds of what God would consider a true prophet of God. Personally I don't think we have modern prophets nor do we need any in light of the fact that we have the whole word of God--the Biblejeffrey said:Throughout the bible, it talks about 'false prophets' and teachers. Are they among us today? What makes a false prophet? If their predictions turn out wrong, does that make them false?
Well, GG, maybe you'll be so kind as to address the question I asked in my last post. (Unless you don't know the answer either.)TheGreaterGame said:If they say something that is not in accord with the written word then I would argue that they are outside the bounds of what God would consider a true prophet of God. Personally I don't think we have modern prophets nor do we need any in light of the fact that we have the whole word of God--the Bible
Which one?Katzpur said:Well, GG, maybe you'll be so kind as to address the question I asked in my last post. (Unless you don't know the answer either.)
This one:TheGreaterGame said:Which one?
I'm not really sure why you are asking me this after you just agreed with me?Katzpur said:When do you believe the role of a prophet changed to be something other than a mouthpiece for God?
That makes a lot of sense.Katzpur said:If we no longer need prophets, why did Jesus say He intended to send prophets? Or maybe He wasn't aware that, with the Bible, you'd have "the whole word of God."
I do not believe a prophecy has to be consistent with any thing, except Gods will.As I recall, there are two criteria in the OT: that the prophet does make accurate prophecies and that he's consistent with the Torah and G-d's rules and so on
I said I agreed with you that a prophet is God's mouthpiece.Victor said:I'm not really sure why you are asking me this after you just agreed with me?
How could Jesus have possibly have been talking about Old Testament prophets when He said, "You will kill the prophets I send"?But as far as your understanding of Matthew 23:34, I think it's a direct correlation to the account in Luke 11:49-51. Which further explains that it's talking about a prophecy in the OT and was most likely talking about the apostles.
I agree.fromthe heart said:Mich pretty much said it in a nutshell...You WILL know them by their fruits.
Did the Biblical prophets "follow Biblical teachings to the letter"? I think not, since they didn't have "the Bible" to fall back on. The Biblical prophets revealed God's will to us and consequently, we have the Bible. When Noah spoke, did he follow Moses' words "to the letter"? Of course not. Moses hadn't even been born yet. When Moses spoke, did he follow Noah's words "to the letter"? No, he didn't. He didn't contradict Noah, but spoke as God revealed His word to him, adding to the teachings of times past.This to me means they will follow Biblical teachings to the letter and they will glorify God if they are in fact a true prophet.
Why? Did Jesus call prophets without intending to say anything to them? When John the Beloved received the book of Revelation, the Bible didn't even exist. The "scriptures" at that time were exclusively the Old Testament writings. Does that mean John was a false prophet?If they claim anything that is NOT in Biblical teachings is going to prove itself to be from a false prophet.
In addition to being the Savior and Redeemer of the world, Jesus is also referred to in the scriptures as being a "prophet." If He didn't stir up controversy, who did? His teachings most definitely went against what were, at that time, "the scriptures." By your reasoning, He could be called the greatest "false prophet" to have ever lived. Controversy has absolutely nothing to do with whether something is true or not.false prophets will come up against a lot of controversy and their followers will always find themselves trying to explain their ways related to this prophet's teachings because the teachings will go against scripture in one way or another.
And what is it's truest form?False prophets will try to come close to scripture as well to decieve as many as possible so it IS important to KNOW the Bible in it's truest form and not some form that has been twisted well-meaningly. Wolves in sheeps clothing.
Katzpur said:I said I agreed with you that a prophet is God's mouthpiece.
How could Jesus have possibly have been talking about Old Testament prophets when He said, "You will kill the prophets I send"?
What new meaning? I thought we agreed with the meaning. Which is why quite frankly I reject Joseph Smith as a prophet. With what people had in their possesion as a resource [Only the Bible for some. The Bible and Church for others]. How could they possibly confirm doctrines that LDS subcribe to? Most people weren't waiting for Joseph Smith Katzpur. The only way to identify true prophet from false prophet is by measuring him/her with the tools they had.Katzpur said:You still haven't answered my question: If, in Old Testament times, the word "prophet" referred to someone called by God to act as His mouthpiece, when did the meaning of the word change? When Jesus said that the prophets He would send would be killed, was He using the word "prophet" to mean something different that it had meant for the previous 4000 years? If so, where does He explain the new meaning of the word?