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How do Pagans feel about Christians and Why?

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Personally I and most others I have talked with, don't detest Christianity....
It would be more accurate to say we distrust it.

as for why.... well, Christianity doesn't have a good history of playing well with others... :roll:

Listening to fundamentalists ranting about the evils of other religions and getting rid of them can make non-christians a bit nervous...

wa:-do
 

Runt

Well-Known Member
Many pagans are not comfortable with Christianity because it has a tendency to make them feel worthless as human beings. Christianity tends to teach that humans are inherently evil, we are like scum to God, we must beg for forgiveness for even the smallest moral transgressions or face eternal torture. For many pagans, the Christian God seems not like a God of Love, but a jealous monster God of Hate.

What kind of God would torture its children eternally while claiming to love them? This, for many pagans, is a contradiction that implies to them that the "fear factor" of the Christian religion (hell, hell fire, demons, satan, etc) is simply a means of controlling people, and holds no truth-- if you believe you are inherently "bad" and that "bad" people go to Hell, and if you believe that the only way to AVOID Hell is not just to ask for forgiveness, but to go to church, support your church, get new followers to go to your church, KILL for your church (it's all happened in history)... well, then it is easy to believe that something is definitely controlling your mind, your time, your money, your morals... and it's not Satan!

Pagans prefer to see that humans are inherently GOOD, that God loves us despite our flaws and gives us many chances (many lives) to gradually learn and perfect ourselves.
 

blessed

Member
wow i dont feel i could have put it any better than everyone else.

i personally find paganism to be excepting of other religions and no where is it written or aknowledged that wicca or paganism is the ONE and ONLY religion or truth which means most pagans tend to keep there beliefs to themselves unless asked.

i am not saying that All christians convert people but it is a very much "SPREAD THE WORD, BRING PEOPLE ROUND TO OUR BELIEFS" sorta of religion, and is not at all very excepting of other religions unless like jewism its the same god, paganism witchcraft is pretty much scorned on.

plus everything runt said christians believe we are all born with original sin from adam and eves mikstakes???? wow a god that holds a grudge that long sounds more vengeful and fearing than loving or forgiving.


Pagans do not feel the need to repent or live lives like saints to go to heaven we do notbelieve in a pure evil so have no fear of the after life or doing something thats wrong although most chose not to any way


does anyone understand where i am coming form
 

Runt

Well-Known Member
And even if they were, you have to understand that ALL religions have their "enemies"... and all think they are right. Wiccans think they are right, they just don't try to go out and convince everyone else that they are right (instead, Wiccans tend to try to go out and convince everyone else why they are wrong... kind of like a lot of atheists do...the whole deconstructionist approach.)

However, pointing out a religion's faults (or not even the RELIGION'S faults, but the faults of its members) is not fair. The guy on that site was complaining about how Wiccans criticize Christians... yet was being hypocritical by making the website and criticizing them right back. Yes, Wiccans can be rude occassionally. It tends to happen when people feel that their religous views are threatened... and thousands of years of history can't completely erase that fear. Laws allowing the free practice of witchcraft are fairly new, having only been put in place sometime within the last 150 years. Compare 150 years of reletive religious freedom to almost 2000 years of persecution, and then consider why Wiccans and some pagans are so vehemently anti-Christian. Is it right? No, of course not, but it is understandable.

And Wiccan rudeness does not excuse Christian rudeness, which this guy seems to think it does.
 

blessed

Member
I think as with any religion there are flaws with wicca i dont feel however we go around using the destruction approch i try to be respectful around other religions and ask a lot of questions.
i thiink websites that slander other religions are cruel and unfair.

Fof me i have found the one true religion for my friend amy she has found her one true religion christianity.

respect the the most important thing!
 

blessed

Member
I think as with any religion there are flaws with wicca i dont feel however we go around using the destruction approch i try to be respectful around other religions and ask a lot of questions.
i thiink websites that slander other religions are cruel and unfair.

Fof me i have found the one true religion for my friend amy she has found her one true religion christianity.

respect the the most important thing!
 

blessed

Member
just read nearly all the wicca sucks thing and wow does she seem to be writting that out of personal revenge to get back at a certain group of wiccans.

just in case anyone of non wiccan beliefs read this

fluffybunny is normally referred to as people who are new to the practice.

wicca do not believe in a devil we believe that the god and godess have many different personalities sides to them and that they have good sides and bad sides (in a sense imperfect)

as wiccan we do not believe in a PURE evil source.

magic is what you make of it how plants grow how the earth rotates nature is magic spells are magic meditation is magic

The majourity of wiccans do not tend to talk about there belifs outrightly unless asked (this may just be in england)

wiccans claim to have found the on true religion for THEM not the one true religion in the world.

I have NEVER known a "wiccan" to ever threaten or imply to hex or hurt some one i cant reply for other pagans but the most important "rule" (a term i use looseley) is the an ye harm none do what ye will.

the lonely wiccan ?!!!! i am in a happy relationship and content. as for love spells (people often get confused about this) wiccans can do a spell to attract love to them BUT not a spell to manipulate some one in to falling in love with them- that is wrong.

elceltic ----i often call myself elceltic that is not an excuse to make up my own religion but undertsnad there are many different branches of wicca one may prefere the godess more elceltic means from these reconised branches we take little things or belifs from.


the person who wrote the site mentioned how wiccans slang christians well regradless of that persons religion they are contadicting everything by slandering wiccns


just as that person is speaking for her? self and not on behalf of christians or jews or any other religon

i am speaking on behalf of my self and other wiccans may not feel the same.

as for pentagrams some wear them as fashion MOst wear them as a christian wears a cross plus it is a symbol of protection

wiccans can be goth straight lesbian girly wear loads of make up wear flowery skirts we are not all goths, just a the female steriotypes of a christian woman is long flowery skirt it doesn't always fit.
 
Runt said:
Many pagans are not comfortable with Christianity because it has a tendency to make them feel worthless as human beings. Christianity tends to teach that humans are inherently evil, we are like scum to God, we must beg for forgiveness for even the smallest moral transgressions or face eternal torture. For many pagans, the Christian God seems not like a God of Love, but a jealous monster God of Hate.

What kind of God would torture its children eternally while claiming to love them? This, for many pagans, is a contradiction that implies to them that the "fear factor" of the Christian religion (hell, hell fire, demons, satan, etc) is simply a means of controlling people, and holds no truth-- if you believe you are inherently "bad" and that "bad" people go to Hell, and if you believe that the only way to AVOID Hell is not just to ask for forgiveness, but to go to church, support your church, get new followers to go to your church, KILL for your church (it's all happened in history)... well, then it is easy to believe that something is definitely controlling your mind, your time, your money, your morals... and it's not Satan!

Pagans prefer to see that humans are inherently GOOD, that God loves us despite our flaws and gives us many chances (many lives) to gradually learn and perfect ourselves.

Well you guys seem to have a lot of misconceptions about Christianity. For one, there are religious fanatics in all religions - it's something we hear about more often, but certainly doesn't make all followers like that.

Now about this worthlessness thing -

It's not like God thinks we're worthless, it's like God loves us enough to DIE for us. That's pretty powerful love. The only reason we aren't good like you say is because of our sin, which separates us from god. But if you use Jesus' love, you can bridge that gap. That's what we're really about.

I will finish this later... (school)

The Ocelot
 

blessed

Member
but what about the grudge thing the adam and eve made a mistake so everyone suffers that sounds very vengeful as does noah's flood none of that is very loving or forgiving, yes he sacrified his son an amazing sacrifice but what about before that people lived in fear of gods rath at least the bible portrays it that way.

when god told some one to sacrifice his son to show his faith , although in the end he didn't have to, i think that is cruel and torture a parent having to chose their god or their child that does not sound like a nice god to me at all, and all that just to prove their faith :mad:

my feelings about paganism and wicca is that there is no fear no need to PROVE your beliefs to anyone , all opinions expressed are mind i may or may not reflect the belifs of fellow pagans or wiccans

blessed be all
 
I think like most people who have encountered the 'I'm right and you are wrong, you know where you are going unless you change your beliefs' type of christians find it very easy to not care for them. I have had much animosity towards those believers. Recently while engaging in religious converstations with someone who worked at my site, I found it very easy to want to be mean to this person and try to make them understand as I do that thier religion is the only religion that is wrong because it is the only one that disagrees with everyone else. But it only made me feel like I wanted to be the opposite of that person, more open-minded and more understanding, because it made me see that by reacting to this person the exact same way as they were to me was making me no better than I thought of him. So it is my new view that when speaking to others that disagree with me that I need to portray my views as just that -- MY VIEWS. If we think that christians are wrong for telling us that everyone else is wrong, then we are just as wrong in telling them that we believe they are the wrong ones. It does not allow for personal peace, that at least if peace with thy neighbor is not important enough to us, personal and inner peace should be. :)
 

Runt

Well-Known Member
Master Hoomer said:
Just read the link....it sums up a lot of "pagan" attitudes towards christians....

Actually, it sums up a lot of Christian BELIEFS about the attitudes of pagans toward christians. Most pagans I know generally ignore Christians and Christianity until a Christian confronts them about their religion and starts saying why its "wrong". Then, I will admit, some pagans get vicious, while others have fun deconstructing the arguements against paganism (or simply deconstructing Christianity), while others simply respond with things like "You can believe what you want, and I will believe what I want. Now leave me alone." It depends on the individual.

I really hate stereotypes...
 
Ok apologies ..it may have seemed inflamatory...

Actually the website is NOT written by a christian..but An EX Wiccan who has since moved on to Thelema I believe (Uncle Al)........

Sorry to say but Many pagans do Demonise Christians....

I for one am uniused to the Whole CRAZEEEEE brand of christianity that america is RIFE with...in england chreistianity is much more relaxed... have you seen Eddie Izzard thing thats on HBO at the mo??? He sunms up the Church of England so well...its just REEEEEELAXED" compared to nutty christianity(ie judgmental crazeeee type)

Yes stereoptypes are awful...but they DO exist in this case....

Personally I see NO conflict between christianity and Paganism....Christianity is really prewtty darn pagan...(sssh dont tell the christians).....

The figure of Christ can be see outside of christianity as well.....in the Greek mysteries we see "Apollo" who is Christ...in Hinduism (yes a pagan faith) we see Lord Krishna (krshna and christ both mena annointed one)....in Celtic beliefs we see Mabon son of modron..the divine child.....

etc..... and yes I know about Mithras....who pagans seem to instantly site in this context...the fact is that the Christ is rather universal......It is a pity that arrogance makes christians assume they have a monopoly upon "him"....thye do not

Pagans vs christian...isn't it time to forget and forgive...and realise that the christians "Pagans" have propblems with are NOT all christians...and that the ones that are are simply indocrinated into "hate" essentially...its not their fault....blame the church....it is rotten at the core....

Move on...the fact that MOST magick is actually performed by "christians" should be remeberd at all times (ssssh dont tell the christians its a secret)

"Let my lamp at midnight hour
Be seen in some high lonely tower,
Where I may oft outwatch the Bear
With thrice Great Hermes"

-----Milton
 
Master Hoomer said:
Personally I see NO conflict between christianity and Paganism....Christianity is really prewtty darn pagan...(sssh dont tell the christians)....

:hi: :hi: :hi:


(krshna and christ both mena annointed one)


Doesn't Krishna mean 'the dark one' ?
 

anders

Well-Known Member
Krishna means the black one - he is said to have been born with black skin. The word krishna means black in Sanskrit; occasionally dark blue.

And "pagan" means, according to my dictionary, "one who is neither Christian, Jew, nor Moslem", so a Christian can't be a pagan ;-)
 
I think she was refering to the way christians worship and pray, and even the holidays they 'share' is alot like the pagans. That definition of pagans is a generic definition made by the church to label anyone who is not like them, therefore 'evil', like the witches from long ago... pretty out dated to me.... :-/
 
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