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Sex Before Marriage

Dentonz

Member
Mister_T said:
It depends on which version of the Bible you use. Fornication is mentioned in the KJV. I'm going off of the NIV and it is a study bible with an index, commentary, and various inputs from hundreds of Christian theologists from around the world. The word/subject Fornication does not appear ONCE. It is not even in the index. Fornication in the NIV is replaced with sexual immorality. I have looked up and researched the subjects of sexual immorality and adultery and nowhere does it condemn having sex with some you love outside of marriage as long as the two people are single. HOWEVER, people have pointed out to me on this forum that it is implied in such books 1 Corinthians and these people have also presented some very good reasons for waiting until marriage. If two (single) people really love each other and they share that type of intimacy with each other they should not be condemed by their church. Chances are, If you love someone, you're planning on loving them forever (just like marriage only without the cerimony). Sure you two could break up before you're wed before a priest. So can two people after there married which means that cerimony was/is pointless. If you don't partake in a baptisim does that mean you can't truley love God and express that love to the fullest? Of course not. You don't need a ritual to truley/fulley love God and you don't need a ritual to truley/fulley love your soul-mate. You don't need rituals to love. All you need is love. That's it. This is such a big issue to so many churches (in the U.S.A. it seems) and they promote the idea that if you don't "love" the same way that they do that you spine will shrivel up, you'll grow hair on your palms, and you'll burn in hell. The Bible does not condemn it, but it does imply it. Therefore, churches should not be condemning it, but implying it. Actually churches should not be condemning people for ANYTHING because they have no right to. Yet it still happens (ironically I find that most of these people are still using the KJV) :banghead3
Okay, but according to Biblical law, when you 'know' someone it makes them your spouse. I did not say that you couldn't live within God's will without having a ceremony performed by man. But that does not allow you to leave that person, he/she is bound to you for life. Look Mister T, all sin is forgiveable I wasn't perfect before I was married. Very few people nowadays are. And If you go to a church that condemns people...GET OUT!!! because condemnation comes from satan not God.
 

dan

Well-Known Member
OK, here's the deal with the hibbity-dibbity. God has ordained it to serve two purposes. They are (in no particular order) to procreate and to strengthen the bonds of intimacy within a marriage. Sex outside of these two purposes is not ordained of God, and is quite wrong. Here is why:

Think of all that we can do as humans. We can put a man on the moon. We can see an atom through a microscope. We can destroy the whole planet if we wanted to, but there is one thing that science will never be able to do. It can never create life. Life is something beyond the comprehension of mankind. It cannot be duplicated and it cannot be explained. It is the very power of God. His glory and His joy lie in creating and furthering life. We have spent thousands and thousands of years in awe of life, and yet we all have been blessed with the power to create life. It requires the physical union of a man and a woman. This is the most sacred gift that God has given us. He has entrusted us with his most important power, and He has told us how to use it.

The unfortunate thing is that these guidelines have been perverted and ignored by sectarian and religious alike in an effort to rationalize away the need to discipline oursleves in this aspect. Man is trying to bring God around to live our "standards" instead of us trying to live God's standards. Some churches actually champion the homosexual minister. What a joke. Religion teaches these days that our physical impulses are what we need to follow. This is an atrocity. God forbid the Gospel requires we do something difficult. Read Hebrews 11 and come back and try to argue that God shouldn't expect you to discipline yourself when you're horny. Sex is the most sacred thing two people can engage in. It's not a toy and when you treat it as such you slap God in the face.
 

linwood

Well-Known Member
Life is something beyond the comprehension of mankind. It cannot be duplicated and it cannot be explained. It is the very power of God. His glory and His joy lie in creating and furthering life. We have spent thousands and thousands of years in awe of life, and yet we all have been blessed with the power to create life. It requires the physical union of a man and a woman.
Somebody better inform all those in-vitro clinics they`re doing it wrong.

:)
 

mr.guy

crapsack
It's not a toy and when you treat it as such you slap God in the face.
I can't stop reading this line...this goes in the books as one of the best things i've ever read in my life.
 

Ðanisty

Well-Known Member
Sex is the most sacred thing two people can engage in. It's not a toy and when you treat it as such you slap God in the face.
Is sex within a marriage always sacred? Because right now I'm trying to figure out if there is a way I can slap God in the face as a married woman.
 

linwood

Well-Known Member
Ðanisty said:
Is sex within a marriage always sacred? Because right now I'm trying to figure out if there is a way I can slap God in the face as a married woman.
Oral sex.
 

Passerbye

Member
Is sex within a marriage always sacred? Because right now I'm trying to figure out if there is a way I can slap God in the face as a married woman.
And I thought you said you didn't have hard feelings against God.

Oral sex.
Where does God condem that? It's like you want to say that just because God doesn't want you to do evil, that it means He doesn't want you to have pleasure either. That's all wrong!!! Sexual activity with the person you are married to is GOOD!!! It even says in the Bible that a husband's body is not just his own, but his wifes; and a wifes body is not just her own, but her husbands. Is this understood?
 

cardero

Citizen Mod
Passerbye writes: He has never acknowledged which congregation He is associated with.

Sexual activity with the person you are married to is GOOD!!!


Premarital sexual encounters can be defined as good, better and best too.



Passerbye writes: It even says in the Bible that a husband's body is not just his own, but his wifes; and a wifes body is not just her own, but her husbands. Is this understood?


Slavery was abolished in the 19th century.
 

Passerbye

Member
Premarital sexual encounters can be defined as good, better and best too.
If you define it based on initial feelings. It's unnatural. (Wait a second; I'm on a forum with people who don't seem to understand this term beyond their own initial feelings.) It's unclean, or sin, or evil, or unlawful, or against God. Whatever term you actually understand. Combine them all and see what they all say that's in agreement.

Slavery was abolished in the 19th century.
It's not slavery. You bond with each other, so you are no longer two, but one. Therefore, there is coequal ownership of both bodies, because the marriage contract makes them one, not two. You own her body as much as you own your own body, and she owns your body as much as she owns her body. Control of said bodies may not be direct, as it is with your own, but it is still co-equal. Does anybody not get this? I know it's kind of a hard thing to understand. There is no slave or master. You are partners. Originally, it's your being owning the body (actually more like lent to you by God more than ownership.) Your spirit has the body. Your spirit and the spirit of your wife become partners. Both of you have co-ownership over both bodies. If the husband needs relief the wife should relieve him. If the wife needs relief, the husband should relieve her. This way they don’t go looking elsewhere for relief. Even if they aren’t looking, the body is weak. If the body isn’t completely self-controlled the person may give in to temptation. This is not to put blame on a wife for a husband cheating. It is ultimately a husband’s choice whether or not to acknowledge the marriage contract. Also, a man giving his body to another woman without the consent of the wife goes against the co-ownership. Beyond this, it goes against God. This also applies to the wife giving herself to another man. The contract of marriage can be broken by consent of the wronged partner in the case of adultery. (It’s easier to understand when brought out in legal terms, isn’t it.) There is no obligation to break the contract in such a case. Other than death, adultery is the only legal way (God being the law maker) to break the contract.
***Please See the Last Paragraph of Post #157 for a Correction***

It is good to go along with such laws. It says nine times in Deuteronomy to do what is right that it may ‘go well with YOU’. This is referenced in Ephesians 6:3, however referring to honoring your father and mother. God doesn’t need you to do what is good for it to go well with Him. He can destroy the earth and populate it with the ones that did do His work. He doesn’t because He waits for the people who will come to Him, to come to Him. How can God be evil when He allows Himself to be discussed by this world that He made, and to be heartbroken by this world He made; and yet doesn’t destroy us all? He makes curses fall upon Himself so that we can be blessed. It’s for US. God wants you to do good that it may go well with YOU. He has shown us what is good. If only people cared to follow Him, instead of being rebels and acting like they have more wisdom than Him. It’s like watching a bird fly into a glass window. If only they would do what is right and pleasing to God, then it will go well with them. Then they will have life to look forward to, and not death. It's very simple. Why is this so hard to accept?
 

Passerbye

Member
I never said that. It's Jesus that I don't have hard feelings against. I loathe God.
I don't really get this too much. Jesus is God. They are the same. The heart of Jesus is the heart of God. He, many times, calls Himself God. He refers to Himself as 'I AM' (YHWH) many times. This is something that people tried to stone Him for. His message to the Israelites and the Gentiles were the same as God's message to them. He said only what God said, because He is God. God, Himself, came down and suffered such things.
Jesus prayed that He would not have to suffer crucifixion, but gave up His human will to the divine will of God. Physically He was a man that didn't want pain. He didn't want to suffer. But it was God's work that needed doing, and that is why He came to earth. He saw past the viewpoint of a man because He was God.
God takes no pleasure in suffering or pain. In fact, He took the suffering and pain Himself so that millions of people would not have to. He devised the plan from ages past, and brought it into being. He took no pleasure in His own pain. He takes no pleasure in our pain.
You should read the story of Jonah. Jonah has no compassion for the Assyrians of Nineveh. He’s a Jew and they’re Gentiles that were brutal to the Jews. But God taught Jonah a lesson and said, “…should I not pity Nineveh, that great city, in which are more than 120,000 people…” God cares about people. He looks for ways to save and help people, even those that have rebelled against Him all their lives. Why would you not care for a God who cares for you so much? Is it easier to think He is a mean guy who just wants everyone to suffer? He’s not like that. He has never been like that, nor will He ever be like that. Where has this hatred for God come from?
 

cardero

Citizen Mod
Passerbye writes: If you define it based on initial feelings. It's unnatural.

Natural and unnatural law does not operate under our feelings. Premarital heterosexual sex operates naturally regardless of our consent or considerations.
Passerbye writes: It's unclean, or sin, or evil, or unlawful, or against God. Whatever term you actually understand. Combine them all and see what they all say that's in agreement.


Again what you are describing is a design flaw in the law that hasn’t been addressed. If GOD feels this strongly about premarital sex and that it is incorrect, why was/has this problem not been corrected or at least updated. Who’s will is more important? GOD’s or ours? If it is our will, why is God interfering with our lives with impractical law? If it is His will that is dominant, why isn’t He correcting the problem? Any defense you have for this oversight makes GOD look imperfect or ignorant which I do not believe is your intention. I have encountered humans that thought that premarital sex was sinful, evil or unlawful but I have never known GOD to feel this way. Which brings me to my first point.


Misconceptions About GOD No. 3
GOD does not think like humans DO.


Some questions to consider. What exactly does GOD have to do with our sexual practices and preferences? What is the creator’s original intention for the design of heterosexual sex? Was it for pleasure or punishment?


Passerbye writes: It's not slavery. You bond with each other, so you are no longer two, but one. Therefore, there is coequal ownership of both bodies, because the marriage contract makes them one, not two.


A marriage contract does not include the permission to have sex.
Passerbye writes: If the husband needs relief the wife should relieve him. If the wife needs relief, the husband should relieve her.


At this point I must ask you if you are married.
Passerbye writes: Also, a man giving his body to another woman without the consent of the wife goes against the co-ownership.


So as long as we secure consent to have sex with multiple partners from our marital spouse this is okay with our partner and GOD?
Passerbye writes: It is good to go along with such laws. It says nine times in Deuteronomy to do what is right that it may ‘go well with YOU’.



Misconception About GOD No .10
There is no will that GOD expects from us.
Passerbye writes: God doesn’t need you to do what is good for it to go well with Him. He can destroy the earth and populate it with the ones that did do His work. He doesn’t because He waits for the people who will come to Him, to come to Him



Misconception About GOD No. 2
GOD does not wait. Though GOD’s patience is renowned if there is something that GOD is concerned about he will not let moments pass to CORRECT the matter.


Sex at best is recreational (re-creational) and sex at worst is entrapment or when it is offered as a sacrifice.


I think you should read my original post again and this time try not to substitute the wisdom for humor. Sex in marriage is not trust or love. It is a moment shared between two responsible, consenting adults. Even our best recreational activities require a great deal of planning and responsibility and this includes the feelings and consideration of our partners (whether we are married or whether we are courting).



Passerbye writes: I don't really get this too much. Jesus is God. They are the same.



Misconception About GOD No. 4
GOD has never incarnated into a physical existence nor ever has a need or desire to DO so.

That one you can for free.



It seems that you have a solid text book understanding of God but I believe in order to completely achieve an accurate knowledge of GOD you may have to start relating outside of the book.
 

Ðanisty

Well-Known Member
I don't believe the Jesus and God are the same person, so that means little to me. I still stand with what I said. Jesus is fine...I have no problems with him. I don't like God.
 

Passerbye

Member
I don't believe the Jesus and God are the same person, so that means little to me. I still stand with what I said. Jesus is fine...I have no problems with him. I don't like God.
So you believe Jesus is a liar? Everything else He said was true. He was perfectly predicted as the Christ. He fulfilled the messianic prophecies, which the statistics of that is akin to picking an electron out of the universe, and it being the exact one you were looking for. It's the fingerprint of the Messiah. He said He was God. The Jews knew what He was saying. How do you figure that He isn't God?
 
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