Jesus' Strange Request

Skwim said:

Jesus was put on earth to save humanity

Jesus knew this could only be accomplished by giving up his life; he predicted his death.​

However, at the moment of crucifixion Jesus says.​

Luke 23:34
And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”
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So just what is it that those responsible for his crucifixion don't know that deserves forgiveness?

After all, they're doing exactly what Jesus and god had expected all along. In fact, Jesus' crucifixion, or at least some manner of death, was required so as to accomplish his mission.

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Jesus was put on earth to save humanity"

From what, they had done fine w/o him for thousands of years.

"So just what is it that those responsible for his crucifixion don't know that deserves forgiveness? "

In a way kind of ludicrous, since the supposed Jesus, a Jew, was claiming to be god, the worst blasphemy in Judaism. No wonder they didn't believe him.

"After all, they're doing exactly what Jesus and god had expected all along. In fact, Jesus' crucifixion, or at least some manner of death, was required so as to accomplish his mission"

This belief requires a belief in predestination, i.e. it was all planned out. This is impossible in a random/chaotic universe.

horizon_mj1 said:

Agreed. So then if forgiveness is not sought, then forgiveness should not be granted right?

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That would seem to be situation.

In a scenario in which a person is not aware of doing wrong and this is brought to light, yet the want of forgiveness still is elusive, then maybe this would be a reason not to grant forgiveness.

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IF it has to be asked for, that would appear to be the way it works.

I can see quite clearly why you chose this topic and can see your point, but to do something (even without immediate knowledge of it being wrong) in which is considered "wrong" and even after the realization is there and to not feel any remorse IMO shows either complete ignorance or complete disregard for others; why should this be forgiven?

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Perhaps it shouldn't. I simply asked, "just what is it that those responsible for his crucifixion don't know that deserves forgiveness?"

Possibly that Jesus was speaking the truth?