What does it mean "I never knew you"?

savagewind said:

OK What is the law of faith?

I understand either law or faith.

But I do not understand either law or law.

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It's described in Romans chapter 3:21-26:
[21] But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
[22] Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
[23] For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
[24] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
[25] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
[26] To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Summed up is this; sinners are justified by grace through Christ.

Yes. I understand. Thank you.

Another idea for determining a meaning for "Depart from me I never knew you." You can compare it to other parables, for instance the parable of the wise and foolish virgins. The foolish virgins had to turn back, and so they never married. It also reminds me of the parable of the talents where Jesus says "...he who does not have even what he has will be taken from him."

Brickjectivity said:

Another idea for determining a meaning for "Depart from me I never knew you." You can compare it to other parables, for instance the parable of the wise and foolish virgins. The foolish virgins had to turn back, and so they never married. It also reminds me of the parable of the talents where Jesus says "...he who does not have even what he has will be taken from him."

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In light of 2 cor 11:12-15----- it is a possibility that the ones Jesus never even knew were being mislead by false religions claiming to have Jesus and be christian, but Jesus never had anything to do with those religions.. a good way to be sure is by actually comparing what Jesus taught to what one is being taught by their teachers. i see thousands of different religions claiming to be christian, yet have only ever found one that actually teacjh what Jesus taught. How can this world be in such darkness?

kwj47 said:

In light of 2 cor 11:12-15----- it is a possibility that the ones Jesus never even knew were being mislead by false religions claiming to have Jesus and be christian, but Jesus never had anything to do with those religions.. a good way to be sure is by actually comparing what Jesus taught to what one is being taught by their teachers.

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It may not directly relate to Jesus parable about "Depart from me I never knew you." If I continue reading from 2 Cor 11:15 through to 2 Corinthians 13:5-6 Paul mentions the proof and test that Christ is speaking through him is the Corinthians themselves, and he does not mention comparing his teachings with Jesus teachings. Perhaps Paul was trying to say in chapter 12 that false ministers boast about their qualifications and perfect doctrines instead of concentrating on helping people.

kjw47 said:

i see thousands of different religions claiming to be christian, yet have only ever found one that actually teacjh what Jesus taught. How can this world be in such darkness?

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We're off topic but perhaps this things aren't as bad as they seem. "Finally, brothers, good-by. Aim for perfection, listen to my appeal, be of one mind, live in peace. And the God of love and peace will be with you." 2 Cor 13:11 I believe Paul would advise reaching out to those other Christians not to correct their doctrines but to spend time with them, break bread, help people together, etc. Then he says the God of love and peace with be with you, which implies correct doctrines will follow close behind. Perhaps the reason there is darkness is that Christians have not been doing things in the way prescribed.

Brickjectivity said:

It may not directly relate to Jesus parable about "Depart from me I never knew you." If I continue reading from 2 Cor 11:15 through to 2 Corinthians 13:5-6 Paul mentions the proof and test that Christ is speaking through him is the Corinthians themselves, and he does not mention comparing his teachings with Jesus teachings. Perhaps Paul was trying to say in chapter 12 that false ministers boast about their qualifications and perfect doctrines instead of concentrating on helping people. We're off topic but perhaps this things aren't as bad as they seem. "Finally, brothers, good-by. Aim for perfection, listen to my appeal, be of one mind, live in peace. And the God of love and peace will be with you." 2 Cor 13:11 I believe Paul would advise reaching out to those other Christians not to correct their doctrines but to spend time with them, break bread, help people together, etc. Then he says the God of love and peace with be with you, which implies correct doctrines will follow close behind. Perhaps the reason there is darkness is that Christians have not been doing things in the way prescribed.

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They havent been doing the things prescribed( but just as the pharisees were shown by Jesus their errors, they refused to change anything) that is why 2 cor 11:12-15 was given as a warning to all, and in revelation God gave the final warning--GET OUT OF HER. They will not change, they are in darkness. but it looks like light to them.

It's clearly God disowning you.

Harrytic said:

It's clearly God disowning you.

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Well met, New Zealander! I hail from Earth's new center of gravity -- North Carolina, where our Bible students are way better than your Bible students. We are currently studying the world's largest Bible and have read it so many times that in its leaves we found some of the extra loaves and fishes left over from Jesus miracles, a bit of lint from his garments and a vial of the water he walked upon. I'm sure you have your doubts, but believe you me you've never seen a Bible as big as this. Its a Whopper!

Brickjectivity said:

Well met, New Zealander! I hail from Earth's new center of gravity -- North Carolina, where our Bible students are way better than your Bible students. We are currently studying the world's largest Bible and have read it so many times that in its leaves we found some of the extra loaves and fishes left over from Jesus miracles, a bit of lint from his garments and a vial of the water he walked upon. I'm sure you have your doubts, but believe you me you've never seen a Bible as big as this. Its a Whopper!

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Can God make a Bible so big He can't lift it?

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Can God make a Bible so big He can't lift it?
[/quote] Have you seen the new Calvin & Hobbes Teenage To Adulthood Married-Singles Wounded Warrior King James NIV Applied RSV Expanded American Standard Amplified George Washington Commemorative Bible?

I has everything you'll ever need in a Bible, and its so big you won't need a study desk, podium or firewood (only use the margins) ever again.

Peace be on to you all.

I think that the answer lies in the context...

two verses before Jesus says and I quote from Matthew chapter 7;21 Not every one that saith unto me. Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; BUT he that doeth the will of my Father wich is in heaven.

(here Jesus is explaining that God is the one who is in control of heaven and hell and not Jesus because Jesus clearly states that you must submit to the wil of God.)

then vers 22' Many will say to me in that day (day of judgement), Lord,Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name?
and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

(now in this verse he is adressing the problem of those people, they are forgetting the true God in heaven and concentrating only on Jesus. who is A messenger of God.)

and now verse 23' And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

(He clearly describes the problem and gives an answer to it, because how can you pray to an image of man and forget the One True God in heaven..)

Everybody knows the world is divided into two groups. The two groups are the worthies and the unworthies. You may argue that it is not but I can see it. It is not a good thing but I'm not a Socialist.

The Christian world has adopted an interpretation of Matthew 7:23 and Matthew 25:31-46 to make it look like 'Jesus' is aggrandizing the problem of division.

It is not HE that is dividing the world. It is satan.

But Hebrews 10:25 has not been obeyed so the world is becoming more divided than ever. How so? How can the gathering together happen even when The Lord is causing a separation? It can't. So it means something else. But instead of the meaning becoming clear, the words are in danger of passing away.

Sin is passing away. If the words have been made sin, the words will pass away. If the words pass away.......

Hebrew 10:25 How is it possible that for 2000 years a "habit" (ethos) is believed to be something a person does not do?

zengi said:

Peace be on to you all.

I think that the answer lies in the context...

two verses before Jesus says and I quote from Matthew chapter 7;21 "Not every one that saith unto me. Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; BUT he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

(here Jesus is explaining that God is the one who is in control of heaven and hell and not Jesus because Jesus clearly states that you must submit to the wil of God.)

then vers 22' "Many will say to me in that day (day of judgement), Lord,Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name?
and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"

(now in this verse he is adressing the problem of those people, they are forgetting the true God in heaven and concentrating only on Jesus. who is A messenger of God.)

and now verse 23' And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

(He clearly describes the problem and gives an answer to it, because how can you pray to an image of man and forget the One True God in heaven..)

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Hi zengi, Welcome to the forums.
True! You started off correct---the context does give the answer to the question, but then didn't continue with the meaning given in the contextual scope of the sermon on the Mount.
Jesus came to "fulfill the Scriptures" which were written concerning HIM. "To seek and save" lost mankind---and eventually to make all things new--back to a right relationship to the Father.
Jesus has shown the activities and philosophies which are displeasing and do separate one from the WILL of the Father. Then HE differentiates between actions of what isn't know about another's short-comings and those which one knows to be contrary to the character of the standard--GOD.

That "seeking and saving" was/is freely extended to all who choose to have GOD as their GOD. (2Pet.3:9) GOD is "long-suffering not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance". The exclusion is in the person's own choosing--the rejecting of the Father's WILL and doing of that which is displeasing to GOD. It is called arrogance/defiance. That attitude is contrary to the harmony seen in the LOVE which is at the foundation of GOD'S Government.

Therefore, (vs.21) when "that day arrives" and it is time "to enter into the kingdom of heaven"---And GOD does know those who are HIS(Num.16:5; 2Tim.2:19)--- there will be those who have been deluded into following the prophesied false GOD seen in 2Thess.2:3-4 and is seen in Rev.18:4("Come out of her my people".) They heard the message, but chose to remain( just as Eve chose to believe the serpent rather than GOD).
Therefore, their works were not to please GOD , but their own self-righteousness. and Jesus' Blood isn't upon them as evidence that they are HIS.

The recording is Just, Right, Merciful and Gracious made in LOVE. Just as Cain was sent away from Eden.

Windwalker said:

There are different types of knowing. One can know with the mind, and one can know with the heart. I can know who someone is, but I may never 'know' them in the sense that I hear them, I see them, and I am joined to them as they truly are. This is a spiritual knowledge.

"I never knew you" would mean you had no part in me.

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You hit the nail on the head!

Originally Posted by Windwalker
There are different types of knowing. One can know with the mind, and one can know with the heart. I can know who someone is, but I may never 'know' them in the sense that I hear them, I see them, and I am joined to them as they truly are. This is a spiritual knowledge.

"I never knew you" would mean you had no part in me.

4YAH80 said:

You hit the nail on the head!

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God began with having a physical association with Adam and Eve and it is seen with Enoch as well. We see the meeting with the prophets as "physical" and lastly, the SON of GOD(Jesus) was made flesh and dwelt among men physically for 31 1/2 years. That relationship(with GOD) will be restored in the new earth.(In the new Jerusalem.)
Many have rejected the Physical and Spiritual relationship as "myths" and, therefore, in the last days at that judgment scene, HE will rightly say, "I never knew you".
Oh, it isn't that HE wasn't aware of ever feature about one, but while claiming GOD as "lord"--and them as servants, they refused HIM AS LORD OF THEIR LIVES.(and the "Will of the Father" was substituted with the exegesis of HIS WILL being according to their own desires).
"Come out of her my people".Rev.18:4 Isn't an idle admonition---it sums up the turning and repenting as represented/seen in the total Bible(Scriptures).

According to the Bible I have - Jesus (Peace be upon him), did rebuke people who worshipped him and told them, "Why do you call me good when there is none good but One in Heaven?" and also when he told the people to worship, "My God and your God and my Lord and your Lord" and then when he said many will come in his name and prophecy and cast out demons (etc. etc.) and when they approach him, he will say, "Get away from me, I never knew you"

Many christians talk about that personal relationship with Jesus or a covenant\family relationTHIS Relationship is what's needed to truly know someone. I think of it as a person who may be knowledgable, who may have done some good things, but does not have the necessary relationship with God. Let's say catholicism is the one true faith. Do you think everyone who went to catholic school will go to heaven? If the person went through the motions out of obligation. Or do you think the presbyterian who is incorrect in doctrine but loves God with everything he has and loves his neighbor as he loves himself would more likely be the one to go to heaven.

Dani said:

According to the Bible I have - Jesus (Peace be upon him), did rebuke people who worshipped him and told them, "Why do you call me good when there is none good but One in Heaven?" and also when he told the people to worship, "My God and your God and my Lord and your Lord" and then when he said many will come in his name and prophecy and cast out demons (etc. etc.) and when they approach him, he will say, "Get away from me, I never knew you"

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By what criteria does your God determine that which is good?