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Life after death.

dawny0826

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
flupke said:
If it comes down to prayers from other people to be saved, the system is definitely not fair. If no christian knows a particular non-christian, then how could they pray for that person. It's mere 'luck' that somebody was there to pray and rescue that person...
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Not when you're a Christian. I've been pressed before by the Holy Spirit to pray for a country...or a person that I don't even know...it's not "luck"...it's all about faith.
 
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flupke

Member
dawny0826 said:
God is a God of compassion. He IS Love. I think he knows our hearts. I think he's sufficient enough to judge whether or not someone has truly been given "ample" opportunity to make a decision.

Beyond that...I truly don't see anything unfair here...
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I'm sorry to see that you give the "God will know" type of answer...

My point is that there CANNOT be a clear decision between 'ample' and 'not ample'.
Everybody's decisions are based on 'what seems right to them'. We get input from various angles (determined by your environment), think about it (determined by your intelligence level), and do what we think is the best. No-one would refute god if they knew 100% sure he existed. So the fact that somebody did not accept god IS THE SAME as saying that that person did not have 'ample' opportunity (i.e. not enough environmental determination to pull you over to that corner).
 
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flupke

Member
dawny0826 said:
Not when you're a Christian. I've been pressed before by the Holy Spirit to pray for a country...or a person that I don't even know...it's not "luck"...it's all about faith.
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Then why doesn't every christian pray for the whole world ? Everybody saved, everybody happy. I thought christians were altruistic...
 
dawny0826

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
flupke said:
Then why doesn't every christian pray for the whole world ? Everybody saved, everybody happy. I thought christians were altruistic...
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You have no idea how much I pray. I pray for everything I can think of...but prayer for others just isn't ENOUGH to save them They have to come to Christ on their own accord.

Prayer...faith and belief...CAN assist others in coming to Christ...but an individual must make a decision on their own.

And label me a dorkfish if necessary...I'm going to have to look altruistic up in a dictionary.:bonk:
 
dawny0826

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
flupke said:
Then why doesn't every christian pray for the whole world ? Everybody saved, everybody happy. I thought christians were altruistic...
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Aaaah...yes...altruistic...yes...we strive to be...or at least I do. But I can't save anyone. Only Jesus Christ can. By being obedient and believing in salvation for others...I can do my part in bringing and individual closer to Christ...but I can't open the door of a heart and guide Jesus Christ inside...it's not MY heart to open. But...prayer can SOFTEN a heart.

Do you see what I'm saying?
 
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flupke

Member
dawny0826 said:
Aaaah...yes...altruistic...yes...we strive to be...or at least I do. But I can't save anyone. Only Jesus Christ can. By being obedient and believing in salvation for others...I can do my part in bringing and individual closer to Christ...but I can't open the door of a heart and guide Jesus Christ inside...it's not MY heart to open. But...prayer can SOFTEN a heart.

Do you see what I'm saying?
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If every christian would pray for everybody, that part would same 'fair', but I doubt this is happening.

But for my 'unfairness' issue, I'm still curious to see what you think about my last-but-one post on this thread ("...there cannot be a clear decision between ample and...)
 
dawny0826

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
flupke said:
If every christian would pray for everybody, that part would same 'fair', but I doubt this is happening.

But for my 'unfairness' issue, I'm still curious to see what you think about my last-but-one post on this thread ("...there cannot be a clear decision between ample and...)
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God is more than capable of figuring that out...so that we don't have to worry about it. :D
 
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flupke

Member
dawny0826 said:
God is more than capable of figuring that out...so that we don't have to worry about it. :D
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Well, there are certain things Gods can't do... We shouldn't worry about god being unable to make a square circle, but then we also shouldn't be claiming that he can.
 
dawny0826

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
flupke said:
Well, there are certain things Gods can't do... We shouldn't worry about god being unable to make a square circle, but then we also shouldn't be claiming that he can.
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Well (sigh)...I guess we just agree to disagree then...:D
 
ChrisP

ChrisP

Veteran Member
dawny0826 said:
I think so.

"Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you'; Before you were born I sanctified you..."

Jermiah 1:5
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Thanks Dawny, I went to bed. That is the perfect quotation. There's quite a good one in Luke also, but I forget where.
 
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may

Well-Known Member
flupke said:
So the largest criminal who is in Jehovahs memory (and everybody should be in his memory given the omnipotence), will go to paradise ? Regardless of what we did, believed ? Or is it only the ones with IQ below 50 that are being forgiven ? What about the ones with IQ 51 ? Where is the cut-off ? And, more importantly, would it be FAIR to make a cut-off ?

I don't really see any clear answers from these biblical quotes.
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what a loving God to let us have another chance to live in line with his way of doing things , but as the bible tells us ,it is only those in Jehovahs memory who will be resurrected , and only he knows who they are, because he is a reader of hearts.
 
dawny0826

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
may said:
what a loving God to let us have another chance to live in line with his way of doing things , but as the bible tells us ,it is only those in Jehovahs memory who will be resurrected , and only he knows who they are, because he is a reader of hearts.
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Most Christians believe quite differently...that we are forgiven and saved by the blood of Christ.

But I totally agree with May that God is indeed a Loving God. :)
 
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may

Well-Known Member
"Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you."—JAMES 4:8.

This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ John 17;3

 
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