davidthegreek
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can someone explain to me the difference between the 2?
Thanks.
Thanks.
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can someone explain to me the difference between the 2?
Thanks.
Do you mean compare unjust salvation with just salvation?
I don't believe God is ever unjust but I recognize that sometimes people think otherwise.
Attonement: I believe one does not have to pay for one's sins because they have been paid by a sacrifice.
Salvation from sin: I believe one does not sin.
Salvation from wrath: I believe one does not get punished for one's sins.
Do you belief that the atonement is just?
Christians believe they are saved through atonement. Atonement theology is that Jesus payed the price for sin.
There are 3 main views as to how Jesus did this:
The ransom theory/Christus Victor: According the ransom theory, Jesus traded his perfect life for all of our imperfect ones, thereby freeing us from Satan. The Christus Victor theory claims that, rather than a simple trade, Christ defeats Satan in a spiritual battle, thereby releasing his claim to us.
The moral influence theory: The purpose of Jesus' life was to give us a template of how to live and to inspire us with his miracles and resurrection. He was the example for "moral change". Interestingly enough, this "liberal" sort of theory was actually the original understanding of atonement
The satisfaction theory: This, and its variation, is the one I was most familiar with. Basically, sin comes with a huge price tag, due to the offense it gives to God. A perfect sacrifice is the only way to pay off this debt, and Jesus was that sacrifice. The slight variation, favored by Protestants, is the penal substitution theory, which claims that Jesus appeases God's wrath at mankind by offering himself as the substitute, to bear all punishment.
All of this was adapted from the wikipedia article: Atonement in Christianity
Now, this all describes how Jesus atones mankind. Salvation is acceptance of this atonement, and thereby, becoming acceptable to and accepted by, God.
I don't know the meaning of atonement but salvation means the freedom from the cycle of birth and death for the certain interval of time.
Christians believe they are saved through atonement. Atonement theology is that Jesus payed the price for sin.
There are 3 main views as to how Jesus did this:
The ransom theory/Christus Victor: According the ransom theory, Jesus traded his perfect life for all of our imperfect ones, thereby freeing us from Satan. The Christus Victor theory claims that, rather than a simple trade, Christ defeats Satan in a spiritual battle, thereby releasing his claim to us.
The moral influence theory: The purpose of Jesus' life was to give us a template of how to live and to inspire us with his miracles and resurrection. He was the example for "moral change". Interestingly enough, this "liberal" sort of theory was actually the original understanding of atonement
The satisfaction theory: This, and its variation, is the one I was most familiar with. Basically, sin comes with a huge price tag, due to the offense it gives to God. A perfect sacrifice is the only way to pay off this debt, and Jesus was that sacrifice. The slight variation, favored by Protestants, is the penal substitution theory, which claims that Jesus appeases God's wrath at mankind by offering himself as the substitute, to bear all punishment.
All of this was adapted from the wikipedia article: Atonement in Christianity
Now, this all describes how Jesus atones mankind. Salvation is acceptance of this atonement, and thereby, becoming acceptable to and accepted by, God.
Do you belief that the atonement is just?
Atonement has always been a strange concept to me. Who owes sacrifice to who?