Mister_T Post #1 said:
Can anyone give me a logical reason not to have sex with someone you love?
Sex is like a joining of two people. Outside of a marriage (an agreement before witnesses to remain together until separated) it is not Biblical. The reason is that if the two do not remain together then the persons are torn in two by the attachment that was made between them. This attachment is made for a family bond. Since sex causes reproduction it is obvious why this is the way it is. The family bond is there to keep the family together. By creating that bond and splitting it you are making family bonds and breaking them over and over and over again.
To look deeper at this we see that the entire world system was made for the creation of a family for God. Since the whole marriage thing is an example of the marriage between Christ and the Church, to have an improper one is an abomination. To make and break it is not intended, and causes many problems. Im sure you know of them. STDs are a big problem these days and if sex were just between a man and a woman who remained together until one of them dies, then the problem wouldnt be anywhere near the way it is today. Second problem is pregnancies where there will be no family for the child. Condoms dont solve this problem.
But, above all other problems, there is the problem of it being a sin. That is why people who have already been forgiven by God are to turn away from doing it (since we are to turn away from sin). That does not mean that someone who is saved that falls into having sex with someone is condemned, but it does mean we are to, again, turn away from it. We are commanded not to sin habitually. It is to be turned away from (the meaning of the word repent.)
Mister_T Post #1 said:
If two people are in love with each other what is so "evil" about sharing intemacy with each other .
I understand that in these days people say that marriage is between two people who love each other. This is not really Biblically backed. Sex is between two people who join themselves together as one flesh. To act as one and to live as one; to be a family. It is about joining two people together when they agree to be joined. If we are to love our neighbors as ourselves then love is not strictly for marriage. Love is for all humans. Love between a man and a woman who are married can get a whole lot deeper than other love, but that doesnt mean that the love must start the marriage. This is a grand misconception.
Mister_T Post #1 said:
Marriage is just a man made ritual.
God made, not man made. Genesis 2:23-25, 3:20, 4:1
Mister_T Post #1 said:
and to be given freely to all mankind.
Mister_T Post #1 said:
I can't find anywhere in the Bible where having sex with someone you love is labled as adultery and/or sexual immorality.
Thats because the word itself implies it, therefore the wording doesnt have to.
Mister_T Post #1 said:
In the book Song of Songs, two lovers are talking sexually about each other and NOT ONCE does the phrase husband or wife appear in that book. Yet it's apart of the Bible. I have yet to see anyone provide a specific command from the Bible or a decent argument to back up the church's argument that this is wrong. The only rebuttals I've heard are "it just is" and "it is implied" (which even if it was, it is done very poorley) Your thoughts.
Read the previous post from Linus (post #7). He seemed to answer properly.
Sunstone Post #8 said:
Sadly, Mr. T, my Acme Love Doll and I have been forced into a state of perpetual pre-marital sex by societie's irrational prejudice against allowing "people of latex" to legally marry. There is not a single state in the US in which it is legal for my Acme Love Doll and I to exchange vows. Is this justice?
Yes, it is justice. Marriage is between a husband and wife (which by definition is a man and a woman). It is not between man and man, woman and woman, dog and woman, dog and man, cat and octopus, dog and chicken, lion and giraffe. Human and plastic is implied, since there is no life in it so there can be no contract between you and the latex.
michel Post #9 said:
No, I can't really. I am a pretty 'weak' Christian, but in my book, if the relationship is bound by Love, then it is already a marriage in the eyes of God.
Sure, it is (for me), necessary to have the Church service, but that's my choice. Having a sexual relationship with soeone you don't love (in my book) is a different matter; but then, that's just common sense.
Common sense has nothing to do with it. That is just culture.
anders Post #12 said:
Would serve you right, according to today's views. But the incest ban is no universal or natural law. What about the righteous Lot? And how did the first few generations following Adam and Eve manage?
Incest is not a thing allowed by God. It was allowed because of low population (thus a requirement), but afterwards this was gotten rid of. Pro-creation at the time required it otherwise there would be no pro-creation. Medical reasons behind it being banned are gene errors not being corrected and malfunctioning genes becoming the norm. Family minded reasons for it are the reasons given by God; dishonoring your family by uncovering their nakedness. This is what I have understood from the language God used when giving the laws for marriage within a family.
Dayv Post #13 said:
Well, nature is my guide, not scripture.
Nature can crap on your head. Scripture is better. Scripture teaches you. It is wise counsel. Not listening to wise counsel usually causes big problems.
Dayv Post #13 said:
Sex is natural, marriage is man-made humbugary.
God-made.
Dayv Post #13 said:
I understand with STDs and all, precautions should be taken (seriously, not doubting their severity), but sex is natural and healthy.
Sex is natural and healthy within a marriage, but outside it isnt. If you want to think that STDs are easy to protect against then I guess you dont know about HPV. It can be transferred with a kiss. Try protecting against that STD. The idea that sex is natural and healthy outside of marriage is a big misconception.
Unwanted pregnancies are one problem. Have you heard of the abortion rates? Its sickening. To say that you can kill a baby as long as there is no way it can live outside of its mother yet is to say that you can pull life support on a man who has a 98% chance of living a normal life if he is left on it, simply from inconvenience. Sure, if he lives that means a lot of medical bills to pay, and a lot of work. Horrible family problems may result. He may end up homeless. His family may end up homeless. Does that mean pull the life support? He has a 98% chance of living a healthy life. Why pull the cord? Because it would ruin your plans? Because it would ruin your reputation? Because it would ruin your finances? All of these are a no in the case of this man who has a 98% chance of living if he is kept on life support. Therefore, all of these reasons do not apply to a pregnancy. (My rant on abortions)
Dayv Post #13 said:
I personally would prefer to have a heavy degree of love in a relationship before sex,
The cultural aspect of love before marriage, minus the marriage part. Please see above.
Dayv Post #13 said:
but I do not condemn people for being more casual about it (although, again, precausion is needed).
No sufficient precautions exist, that have been made known to me.
Dayv Post #13 said:
There is nothing evil about it, so long as no one is being used or taken advantage of.
True, if you are aloud to define the word evil however you want. The word evil and sin is basically illegal on a cosmic scale. As in legal matters, the one who rules over the territory from the highest spot decides the laws, or gives permission to one who is lower than him to decide the laws. The people themselves are not the ones who decide the laws. The ones who occupy the territory obey the laws of the one who institutes them. God is the highest ruler of the earth, and everything else. He instituted the laws and as such evil is what is illegal according to those laws. Since the rules state Love the Lord your God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself, defiling the world, each other, and yourselves with sexual immorality is disobeying those commands; since defiling your neighbor is not loving your neighbor, and defiling the world is not loving God, and defiling yourself is not showing love to yourself (which loving yourself would be required from having to love your neighbor.) Thus sexual immorality is illegal, which makes it a sin, which makes it evil.
Dayv Post #13 said:
Sex is natural and healthy, marriage is nothing more than a ceremonial contract.
It is natural and healthy within marriage; and marriage is a contract that is required for sex to be condoned by God (see reasoning above.)
Ðanisty Post #14 said:
You do realize that for some it isn't a mistake, right? I started having sex with my first serious boyfriend when I was a freshman in high school. I've never regretted sex in any of my relationships or considered any of those experiences to be a mistake.
What you consider a mistake and what you regret are opinions. Consequences can be discussed. At the very least they were sins, because there was no contract.
