Final attempt to reach my former comrades

? I was in those churches and believe me, they had nothing to offer someone who is spiritually hungry for the truth.

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Do you not listen? What do churches have to offer? Weddings, clubs and sales. What do weddings clubs and sales have anything to do with feeding the spiritually hungry?

Do as I say not as I do is the philosophy I left behind. Thank you for talking to me.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
King James Version (KJV)


9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


This is for ME? LOL OK.....

oldbadger said:

You write well.

Tell you what, though...... it's not JWs, or Lutherans, or Baptists, or Catholics. It's the whole group of churches, ministries, and all........ who do seem ..... quite as lost as me. The big difference being that I know I am lost in the chaos of existence, whilst they seem to feel that they (alone! Just their group) is fine and dandy, the only holy...... God's chosen path. Dear oh dear......

Yes....... you probably are a prophet, but if so, nobody will attend to you till after you are gone....... so stay....... and write some more.

I always wanted to have a good argument with you when we were both drunk. Now that would have been useful! But dear Mrs Badger limits me to these unit thingies now, and I don't go blotters anymore cos of that. Omar Khayyam just does not get a fair hearing, I reckon!

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Imagine! Someone who speaks my language. Yes , beers at the pub sounds grand. I cannot argue in person. I need google, I use it for words. I have something to whisper. Over here. I really do like "much mush" but it was a spelling error that I thought was really fine. I liked it so it stayed. That's how it got there.

The beer is so good! I'm lying. No beer.

I have another one.

"Make friends by means of the unrighteous riches. If all else fails they will take you into the everlasting dwelling places" Luke 16:9

I have my own way that I understand that. I will share what I learned at the Kingdom Hall.

Unrighteous riches mean practical ways people can be generous. Generous with their money and with their time. It is taught at the Kingdom Hall that it is the wisest course to make friends with Jesus' brothers. Matthew 25:34-40 It means a person's life. Who are Jesus' brothers? The anointed are. So a faithful person's worldly riches should go to them. Who says so? They do.

Or more correctly from the Insight Volumes....(WTBTS)

“Make friends for yourselves by means of the unrighteous riches, so that, when such fail, they may receive you into the everlasting dwelling places.” (Lu 16:9) Since the possession or desire for material riches can lead to lawless acts, they may for this reason have been designated as “unrighteous riches,” in contrast with spiritual riches. Also, material riches, particularly money, actually belong to and are under the control of “Caesar,” who issues money and assigns a particular value to it. Such riches are transitory, and loss may be experienced as a result of economic conditions or other circumstances. Hence, the person having such riches should not put his trust in them, nor should he use them as the world in general does for selfish purposes, such as the amassing of still greater wealth. (1Co 7:31) Rather, he should be alert and diligent to make friends of the possessors of the everlasting dwelling places."

Guess someone wasn't listening at the Kingdom Hall. :ignore:

JayJayDee said:

Or more correctly from the Insight Volumes....(WTBTS)

“Make friends for yourselves by means of the unrighteous riches, so that, when such fail, they may receive you into the everlasting dwelling places.” (Lu 16:9) Since the possession or desire for material riches can lead to lawless acts, they may for this reason have been designated as “unrighteous riches,” in contrast with spiritual riches. Also, material riches, particularly money, actually belong to and are under the control of “Caesar,” who issues money and assigns a particular value to it. Such riches are transitory, and loss may be experienced as a result of economic conditions or other circumstances. Hence, the person having such riches should not put his trust in them, nor should he use them as the world in general does for selfish purposes, such as the amassing of still greater wealth. (1Co 7:31) Rather, he should be alert and diligent to make friends of the possessors of the everlasting dwelling places."

Guess someone wasn't listening at the Kingdom Hall. :ignore:

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OK I am sure that I cannot remember it word for word. Haha

Who is in possession of the everlasting dwelling places?

Need a reminder?

Matthew 24:45 "I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions"

The faithful discreet slave. An everlasting dwelling place is a possession of The Master, is it not?

savagewind said:

No, not too much mush.

As it should be oldbadger, as it should be

Thus the title of the thread. "My last attempt". If I can get just one Jehovah's Witness to see he or she does some of the same type things their doctrine condemns I will consider my effort worthwhile. The Watchtower religion is an organization that judges. It is so obvious just on this one worthless thread. I am not beating myself up. I enjoy my occupation most of the time.

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i've never read anywhere in the watchtower that we are not allowed to be on the internet. Can you show me an article where they condemn internet use? We are told to be careful and shown how to avoid bad websites and advised not to give our personal information and be weary of chat rooms...but never to stay off it.

From what i remember of our last few assemblies, internet witnessing was mentioned as an avenue to preach... so im not sure if you are only getting this information from one persons personal opinion, but i surely have not been hearing about it. And there is also the fact that the WT society have their own website too...


Ive never been told i can't enter a church. Thats a crazy idea! Maybe some witnesses feel its inappropriate under some circumstances, but its a personal choice....the reasons to attend a church of a different denomination may be varied. You may be attending a wedding which is being held in a church, or a funeral...you may even be doing a plumbing job at a church building.... i know it isnt the watchtower society who have made any such rules, so maybe you have been misapplying what someone else has said to you.


I dont think anyone should have a problem with using their powers of judgement .... what do the scriptures tell us:

1cor 5:9 In my letter I wrote YOU to quit mixing in company with fornicators, 10 not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, YOU would actually have to get out of the world. 11 But now I am writing YOU to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. 12 For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do YOU not judge those inside, 13 while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves.”

christians must be aware of the conduct of their fellow christians...we have to keep a watch on each other....otherwise we might find that a 'so-called' brother or sister may lead us off and away from the right path. What about sexual abuse? Shouldnt we be teaching our kids to use their powers of judgement so as to know when someones conduct is not right? The watchtower advises us to do this. Its not being 'judgmental' in a negative way...its about being safe among our brothers and sisters.

You can't leave. I let the air out of your tires. :yes:

You are right it is not a Watchtower teaching. It is hearsay. I stand corrected.

Thank you Quagmire, but that's not my car.

savagewind said:

You are right it is not a Watchtower teaching. It is hearsay. I stand corrected.

Thank you Quagmire, but that's not my car.

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It's the thought that counts.

savagewind said:

You are right it is not a Watchtower teaching. It is hearsay. I stand corrected.

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then my advise to you is to not take the word of individuals as the word of the Watchtower society. They are nothing more then personal opinions. The WT society does the opposite, they give you the 'scriptural principles' and encourage you to live by those principles as your conscience sees fit.

thats what it means to walk in faith.

And just to add, the reason why we can have various views (some stricter some not-so strict) is because the WT do not impose rules on us. We are allowed to decide most things for ourselves.

The article I think I remember. It was about the conscious of a weak witness. For the sake of the weak ones in the congregation we ought to think twice about doing anything that is a matter of conscience. Entering a church is a matter of conscience therefore it is discouraged because of the weak ones present might be offended. Seek peace and pursue it. The internet is similar, but much newer.

So those witnesses who take to heart the welfare of their weaker brothers and sisters will not enter a church for anything, or use the internet except for Watchtower approved sites.

Anybody know what happened to the tires on my car?

I'm not telling

savagewind said:

The article I think I remember. It was about the conscious of a weak witness. For the sake of the weak ones in the congregation we ought to think twice about doing anything that is a matter of conscience. Entering a church is a matter of conscience therefore it is discouraged because of the weak ones present might be offended. Seek peace and pursue it. The internet is similar, but much newer.

So those witnesses who take to heart the welfare of their weaker brothers and sisters will not enter a church for anything, or use the internet except for Watchtower approved sites.

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no one can be so weak that they are offended if you are attending a funeral or wedding at a church, seriously.

I could understand if it was a witness couple who were getting married and they went into a church to do it...yes that would be weird! But i think you are creating this scenario in your own head because i know many witnesses who have attended church services for non-witness family members without any problem or anyone in the congregation chastising them for it.

I have been sightseeing with witness friends recently and we went into an old catholic church to look around... no one got all funny about it. Its just a building.


Can i ask you if you've ever seen a 'list' of approved sites anywhere in our WT literature? Have the WT society even provided such a list? Of course not. Again, you seem to be creating a scenario that does not exist.

Pegg said:

no one can be so weak that they are offended if you are attending a funeral or wedding at a church, seriously.

I could understand if it was a witness couple who were getting married and they went into a church to do it...yes that would be weird! But i think you are creating this scenario in your own head because i know many witnesses who have attended church services for non-witness family members without any problem or anyone in the congregation chastising them for it.

I have been sightseeing with witness friends recently and we went into an old catholic church to look around... no one got all funny about it. Its just a building.


Can i ask you if you've ever seen a 'list' of approved sites anywhere in our WT literature? Have the WT society even provided such a list? Of course not. Again, you seem to be creating a scenario that does not exist.

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It cannot officially exist because it would cause real ridicule. To attend a club meeting in a church (where a few dollars get paid) or joining the YMCA is definitely some things that would cause the friends to back off from the culprit to protect their own standing. It might not be official, but it is real.

savagewind said:

It cannot officially exist because it would cause real ridicule. To attend a club meeting in a church (where a few dollars get paid) or joining the YMCA is definitely some things that would cause the friends to back off from the culprit to protect their own standing. It might not be official, but it is real.

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you need to look clearly at the principles outlined in the scriptures, and if what you are doing does not violate the principle, then you have no reason to fear and it is not going to cause an issue for anyone else.
But if what you are doing does directly violate a principle, then the matter will be made known to you as im sure it has.

There is quite a difference in entering a church building for a wedding, and entering into a partnership with the rulership of that church. When you join a club or become members, you are aligning yourself with their principles and agendas...your association does not end and begin when you walk in and out of the doors.

Pegg said:

you need to look clearly at the principles outlined in the scriptures, and if what you are doing does not violate the principle, then you have no reason to fear and it is not going to cause an issue for anyone else.
But if what you are doing does directly violate a principle, then the matter will be made known to you as im sure it has.

There is quite a difference in entering a church building for a wedding, and entering into a partnership with the rulership of that church. When you join a club or become members, you are aligning yourself with their principles and agendas...your association does not end and begin when you walk in and out of the doors.

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So "religious education" is not religion? Is this not like a church? God belief is here. How is cyber space different than building space?

savagewind said:

So "religious education" is not religion? Is this not like a church? God belief is here. How is cyber space different than building space?

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you could liken RF to a gathering of people from all walks of life who have an interest in discussing religious subjects. using a forum does not mean anyone is aligning themselves with another religious group, just as speaking to a person of another religious persuasion in the door to door work,(and going back to the same person over and over), does not amount to joining that persons religion. No, this is not a church. It is not a religious affiliation.

When you became a member of some other religious group, did you not feel that you were joining them and accepting that what they stood for, their teachings, principles, agendas, goals etc were what you would support?