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Is Anarchy in the USA Possible?

not nom

Well-Known Member
There have never been any functional anarchical societies. That IS the real world.

nah, just your pitiful corner of it. it's not even true there, but hey.

In discussions with modern anarchists, they propose all sorts of actual municipal or communal works in their dream Anarchy, but nobody would actually participate in such things if anarchy were instituted somewhere, because in lawless situations, humans go wild and revert back to 'kill or be killed'. Every time. It simply won't work.

again, speak for yourself and the clowns you're dealing with. I'll say one thing though, what chomsky pointed out, "many who consider themselves left I would consider proto-fascist". I've seen the stupid, hypocritical underbelly of anarchos, sure -- but I've also seen just how easy and natural it can be. that it can literally be the absence of violence, coercion and lies, and nothing more. you say that's not viable? it surely is more viable than all alternatives combined.

oh, and speaking of chomsky, what about northern italy after ww2 -- self-organized by workers, the US preparing to attack if should the italians refuse to elect a government (because they seemed to get along fine without one, which scared them ******** haha)?

when I point it out, you cover your ears and go lalala. that doesn't mean anarchism doesn't work, it just means it's not for you, and you not for it. **** northern italy in the 40s, ponder the pedestrians at the red traffic light. or don't. but don't tell me about "the real world" as if that phrase was anything but compensation for arguments.
 
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Heathen Hammer

Nope, you're still wrong
nah, just your pitiful corner of it. it's not even true there, but hey.
Yet you fail to quote us any anarchical working societies, either existant now or in the past. Go ahead. We're waiting. In the real world. And, it's not even true here, where, in the US? Um, yeah, it is true here. We're not an anarchy, nor are there any states whose govt is. Are you tripping or something?


again, speak for yourself and the clowns you're dealing with. I'll say one thing though, what chomsky pointed out, "many who consider themselves left I would consider proto-fascist". I've seen the stupid, hypocritical underbelly of anarchos, sure -- but I've also seen just how easy and natural it can be. that it can literally be the absence of violence, coercion and lies, and nothing more. you say that's not viable? it surely is more viable than all alternatives combined.
Surely it isn't. it isn't viable in the sense that it does not occur. And would collapse if attempted. Is it 'viable' in a fantasy sense, where everyone cooperates? Sure. So is Communism and National Socialism; in the realm of imagination. However it does not exist nor is it possible, in practice. the only clown Im dealing with here is you.

oh, and speaking of chomsky, what about northern italy after ww2 -- self-organized by workers, the US preparing to attack if should the italians refuse to elect a government (because they seemed to get along fine without one, which scared them ******** haha)?
lol, that wasn't a 'function anarchy'. that was a constitutional switch between the reign of a monarch and the decision to become a Republic. I can't even find reference to it being a anarchist society anywhere. It would appear you are the only individual in the world calling it that. Im sure the Italians would be amused.

when I point it out, you cover your ears and go lalala.
It's amusing that you react to me reacting, before I've even read the post. that's so precious.

that doesn't mean anarchism doesn't work, it just means it's not for you, and you not for it. **** northern italy in the 40s, ponder the pedestrians at the red traffic light. or don't. but don't tell me about "the real world" as if that phrase was anything but compensation for arguments.
I am the only one presenting any arguments here. You're just spouting nonsense. You've cited no facts, just spouted emotive nothings. Got anything factual? Or are you just frothing up like anarchists do at rallies?
 
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Heathen Hammer

Nope, you're still wrong
you know what, I should instead have simply quoted that, and said "you clearly have no clue what you are even talking about". it's a fact, too.
What you should have done is presented an actual argument.

Are you prepping to move to, say, Somalia, for your life of anarchy?
 

4consideration

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Premium Member
no, actually, beings where every bit of input and output is controlled, and doesn't come from their inner genius, are still in the future.

we'll get there though. we'll have humans crawling over each other trying to be as non-existant and uncomplicated as possible, and pretend they're robots. but not yet, and surely not in that section of time and space which spawned things such as "the wild west", lolololol.

What?
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Anarchy?
Here?
Not in a country full of sheep clamoring for more security & whining about needing more regulation of their lives.

My thoughts exactly. Most Ameicans, including myself, couldn't support ourselves if we won the billion dollar lottery.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Simply not voting for a candidate, which is the same as voting for no candidate, is meaningless.
Wait, huh? Don't more people in America not vote than those who do? The majority of America is voting for no candidate year after year...
 

dust1n

Zindīq

Heathen Hammer

Nope, you're still wrong
Um.. Revolutionary Catalonia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Freetown Christiania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now to mention the hundreds of thousands of indigenous groups around the world that predate the earilest forms of government...
Ah! I stand corrected about 'never'!

it worked once, for a short while, In Copenhagen. The Spanish reference is, again, nothing functional which didn't come with suppression, murder, and atrocities during a social upheaval; temporary attempts during, or leading to, bloody revolution don't count as 'functional'.

it works hesitantly with a few hundred; it will never work for a country. These are facts. Please, learn to deal with them.
 

Protester

Active Member
Ah! I stand corrected about 'never'!

it worked once, for a short while, In Copenhagen. The Spanish reference is, again, nothing functional which didn't come with suppression, murder, and atrocities during a social upheaval; temporary attempts during, or leading to, bloody revolution don't count as 'functional'.

it works hesitantly with a few hundred; it will never work for a country. These are facts. Please, learn to deal with them.

For a country, anarchy has never worked at all. While this BBC commentary doesn't paint that bad the picture (?) For Somalians, BBC News - Somalia: Counting the cost of anarchy it hasn't been a very rosy picture for hijacked ships and kidnapped people who also suffer indirectly from the anarchy in Somalia.
 

Road Warrior

Seeking the middle path..
There have never been any functional anarchical societies. That IS the real world.
Maybe in your 'fantasy' world anarchy would work; but your problem is you'd have humans in the way.

Agreed about how anarchic societies wouldn't work due to human beings. Somalia or any place where government has collapsed is a good example of what happens under anarchy; groups form (call them gangs, warlords, etc) and they will dominate individuals. When that happens, it isn't anarchy anymore. If the individuals group together to defend themselves, that means they need an organization. Organizations need leaders or committees which means elections. This grows into government. Again, not an anarchy.
 

Walkntune

Well-Known Member
I suppose there will come a time when man realises that it was the law all along that was crushing him. Laws can can never give freedom but only serve to take them away. Laws are a justification for revenge.
 
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Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Anarchism could work anywhere where the will for it exists among the common people. You don't vote it in. It would probably have to start with non-compliance and the forming of democratic systems of organization on the community level.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I suppose holding elections and then not acknowledging their mandates is fairly close to anarchy.

But that couldn't possibly happen, now could it? :(
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
That's not what anarchism is. People keep confusing it with chaos and lawlessness and that's not what it is at all.

I know what anarchism is: lack of a centralized government. For the record, I consider myself an anarcho-federalist.

Thing is, our government is intricately tied to our lives, and we owe a lot of what we can do to various government-funded programs. If the government collapsed, society would quickly follow insofar as there'd be millions out of work, public schools would close, roadwork would stop altogether, welfare programs would completely cease, etc. However, if an alternative were to quickly replace it, that collapse would recover, and that also applies if it were some sort of anarchy state.
 
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