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Martin Luther King, Jr. on "The Good and Just Society"

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
"Capitalism fails to realize that life is social. Communism fails to realize that life is personal. The good and just society is … a socially conscious democracy which reconciles the truths of individualism and collectivism."
- Martin Luther King, Jr.


Do you agree with King? Why or why not?
 

PHOTOTAKER

Well-Known Member
Capitalism is already both social and personal, thats why it has worked for us for over 2 hundred years. Communism is one sided the flip side is the "caste" method.

 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Capitalism is already both social and personal...

Please be specific. How is capitalism social? How is it personal?

...thats why it has worked for us for over 2 hundred years.
I recall capitalism has required numerous reforms over the past two hundred years and I think it is also arguable that it is in a crisis today. Do you call that "having worked for us"? If so, why?
 

PHOTOTAKER

Well-Known Member
"Please be specific. How is capitalism social? How is it personal?"

it is personal by each person has the opportunities to make or work up in a business of career of their choice.

Social it requires cooperation of people, to make things happen with government as well with employers, employees and clients, as well as choosing what you want.

the big problem that we have is the government they don't want to work or solve problems with companies to create laws that best suit the safety and concerns of the people, they want to look like they have done the right thing to be elected again in a few years...
 

dyanaprajna2011

Dharmapala
I think Martin Luther King, Jr. had the right idea. A 'middle way' (to use a Buddhist term), if you will, between two extremes. The trouble comes in with trying to convince those who sway one way or another that the middle way is the best way, and then how to implement it.

PHOTOTAKER said:
Capitalism is already both social and personal, thats why it has worked for us for over 2 hundred years. Communism is one sided the flip side is the "caste" method.

Except that those who side with capitalism fail to realize that it creates a caste system. Why do you think the lower classes are upset with the upper class now? Capitalism, especially that like we see here in the states, sides with large corporations and CEO's, and cares little for the average worker.
 
"Capitalism fails to realize that life is social. Communism fails to realize that life is personal. The good and just society is … a socially conscious democracy which reconciles the truths of individualism and collectivism."
- Martin Luther King, Jr.


Do you agree with King? Why or why not?
I don't disagree. Or do we? Who decides?
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
"Capitalism fails to realize that life is social. Communism fails to realize that life is personal. The good and just society is … a socially conscious democracy which reconciles the truths of individualism and collectivism."
- Martin Luther King, Jr.


Do you agree with King? Why or why not?

He highly mistaken Capitalism as being Corporatism
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
There's not really a difference.

Capitalism is based on private ownership, and Corporatism is the control of a state by large interest groups.

Capitalism is the freedom to trade while Corporatism is the government giving financial aid to corporations.

Corporatism is building monopolies and buying out the competition (google buys youtube) but Capitalism is a truthful competition that lets the marketplace decide who has the better product for better prices.
 

illykitty

RF's pet cat
Yes, I agree there needs to be a balance. Capitalism is too much in favour of the few.

Capitalism creates a lot of issues. Environmental damage, disregard for human rights, greed, the top few having a lot more than they need while the rest becomes poorer no matter how much they work, huge debts that only keep getting bigger, etc.

I'm not sure what the solution is, but I'd prefer a system like the nordic countries over just capitalism. If this was possible, getting rid of money and working in harmony with nature managing ressources would be, not an utopia, but amazing.
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Capitalism creates a lot of issues. Environmental damage, disregard for human rights, greed, the top few having a lot more than they need while the rest becomes poorer no matter how much they work, huge debts that only keep getting bigger, etc.

Could I ask what human rights is disregarded in Capitalism, and what is the greed that comes from Capitalism, when greedy people exist outside of Capitalism? Also, the top few having a lot more money than they need isn't necessarily true, in Capitalism everyone has an equal chance at getting the millions, but under Corporatism there would be the top few problem.

I'm not sure what the solution is, but I'd prefer a system like the nordic countries over just capitalism. If this was possible, getting rid of money and working in harmony with nature managing ressources would be, not an utopia, but amazing.

If it were possible, robots worked for us and we were all happy and everything was free, that would be amazing. Sadly, those two are equally unlikely.
 

dyanaprajna2011

Dharmapala
Capitalism is based on private ownership, and Corporatism is the control of a state by large interest groups.

Capitalism is the freedom to trade while Corporatism is the government giving financial aid to corporations.

Corporatism is building monopolies and buying out the competition (google buys youtube) but Capitalism is a truthful competition that lets the marketplace decide who has the better product for better prices.

Capitalism leads to corporatism. Just take a look around, through eyes that see. We ARE being controlled by corporations. Corporations control politicians. And this, because someone thought unregulated capitalism was a good idea. Society without laws is society in anarchy and chaos.
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Capitalism leads to corporatism. Just take a look around, through eyes that see. We ARE being controlled by corporations. Corporations control politicians. And this, because someone thought unregulated capitalism was a good idea. Society without laws is society in anarchy and chaos.

We don't have Capitalism, we have Corporatism xD. How can you call the system we're under a Capitalist one when we have a Fedaral Reserve which sets the price of money? How can you call it Capitalism when the financial sector has thoroughly captured the public sector?

You see, true Capitalism has never been tried.
 

illykitty

RF's pet cat
Could I ask what human rights is disregarded in Capitalism, and what is the greed that comes from Capitalism, when greedy people exist outside of Capitalism? Also, the top few having a lot more money than they need isn't necessarily true, in Capitalism everyone has an equal chance at getting the millions, but under Corporatism there would be the top few problem.

Well people call what we have capitalism, it might not be correct, but that's what people say. Everyone has an equal chance, then I'd love to have my share, how do I do it? :p

Human rights become an issue especially when outsourcing jobs abroad, think of the third world worker working huge amount of time and only getting 1$ in pityful conditions. Making cheap quality items, big profits and treating humans like dirt... I don't support that.

Yes there could be greedy people in any system but I find that the current system encourages greed, especially at the expense of people (especially the poor) or the environment because getting huge amounts of money is the #1 goal no matter what.

In a capitalist system everything is for sale, including important things such as medication. It encourages class division and people are kept from things that should be for everyone.

If a system makes it more likely for things like that to happen then I'd rather not be supporting it. My preference is for much equality and support for people to get basic needs. I have a strong dislike for poor ethics.
 

dyanaprajna2011

Dharmapala
We don't have Capitalism, we have Corporatism xD. How can you call the system we're under a Capitalist one when we have a Fedaral Reserve which sets the price of money? How can you call it Capitalism when the financial sector has thoroughly captured the public sector?

You see, true Capitalism has never been tried.

It was unregulated capitalism in the 40's-60's that led to corporatism. The left fought against it, through such things as social security and unions, but the greed of capitalism eventually led to the control of corporations. This was the only outcome. In capitalism, money is king, money is god. Money is all-important, and materialism it's philosophy, possessions it's communion.
 
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