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The Debate of God.
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dantech
Well-Known Member
In simpler terms, are you saying that if something exists, it must not exist in the same time?
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
This...
We cannot know the Tao itself,
nor see its qualities direct,
but only see by differentiation,
that which it manifests.
Thus, that which is seen as beautiful
is beautiful compared with that
which is seen as lacking beauty;
an action considered skilled
is so considered in comparison
with another, which seems unskilled.
That which a person knows he has
is known to him by that which he does not have,
and that which he considers difficult
seems so because of that which he can do with ease.
One thing seems long by comparison with that
which is, comparatively, short.
One thing is high because another thing is low;
only when sound ceases is quietness known,
and that which leads
is seen to lead only by being followed.
In comparison, the sage,
in harmony with the Tao,
needs no comparisons,
and when he makes them, knows
that comparisons are judgements,
and just as relative to he who makes them,
and to the situation,
as they are to that on which
the judgement has been made.
We cannot know the Tao itself,
nor see its qualities direct,
but only see by differentiation,
that which it manifests.
Thus, that which is seen as beautiful
is beautiful compared with that
which is seen as lacking beauty;
an action considered skilled
is so considered in comparison
with another, which seems unskilled.
That which a person knows he has
is known to him by that which he does not have,
and that which he considers difficult
seems so because of that which he can do with ease.
One thing seems long by comparison with that
which is, comparatively, short.
One thing is high because another thing is low;
only when sound ceases is quietness known,
and that which leads
is seen to lead only by being followed.
In comparison, the sage,
in harmony with the Tao,
needs no comparisons,
and when he makes them, knows
that comparisons are judgements,
and just as relative to he who makes them,
and to the situation,
as they are to that on which
the judgement has been made.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Not exactly. What I am saying is that when you propose 'existence', you are automatically proposing it against a necessary background, or field, of 'non-existence', since you cannot know the one without the other. Since what we call existence is what is focused on as being in the foreground, the background is not consciously taken into account when doing so. Therefore, existence/non-existence is a duality, so to say that 'God exists' is to make God a relative being, rather than the Absolute being we usually assign to God. It would be more accurate, then, to say that God neither exists, nor not-exists, as an Absolute God would be beyond all dualities.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
So...you are one with God....?
You are God?
Or your participation in this thread is what....more word play?
Note title.
Say something about God.
Or maybe you are God?
godnotgod
Thou art That
Dan4reason
Facts not Faith
I am not so sure that God exists. Modern science seem to be getting closer and closer to explaining things without God. Plus there is a complete lack of any rational reason to believe God exists, from my perspective.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
We are all separate from God.
That would be the point of living.
Fresh individuals on each ocassion.
Now answer my questions.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
godnotgod
Thou art That
But you haven't answered mine. I asked you 'when were you ever separate from God?', to which you only replied: 'We are all separate from God.', which does not say anything.
Show me where this 'separation' exists.
What do 'fresh individuals, etc.' have to do with separation from God?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Your not playing fair.
You can see the obvious and you're skirting the play of discussion.
You know what you should reply.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Come now. Who is it that is not playing fair? You just dogmatically state that we are separate from God to my question as to where we are separate from God. What kind of answer is that? If it is obvious that we are separate from God, then your answer should be child's play. But instead of being straight and answering my question, not only do you dish out dogma, but on top of that, you dictate what I should be replying!!!
If you cannot answer my simple question to your claim of separation, then I will simply have to conclude that your so-called 'separation' is your delusion, based upon your social indoctrination which has hard-wired that notion into your brain, causing you to accept it without questioning its veracity. Now you want to stamp that notion onto my brain. Not gonna happen.
So. Can you or can't you answer my question?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Come now. Who is it that is not playing fair? You just dogmatically state that we are separate from God to my question as to where we are separate from God. What kind of answer is that? If it is obvious that we are separate from God, then your answer should be child's play. But instead of being straight and answering my question, not only do you dish out dogma, but on top of that, you dictate what I should be replying!!!
If you cannot answer my simple question to your claim of separation, then I will simply have to conclude that your so-called 'separation' is your delusion, based upon your social indoctrination which has hard-wired that notion into your brain, causing you to accept it without questioning its veracity. Now you want to stamp that notion onto my brain. Not gonna happen.
So. Can you or can't you answer my question?
There you go making assumptions again.
And we know (if you've really been opened minded and reading my postwork)
I have no dogma.
My questions came first and you are dodging them.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
godnotgod
Thou art That
You clearly stated that man is separate from God. That is a dogmatic statement in light of the fact that you refuse to offer an explanation when an explanation has been respectfully requested. You're just beating around the bush, and no, you did not ask your questions first; I did!.
I will be more than happy to address each of your questions as soon as you can tell me at what point man became separate from God, as you so claim.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
godnotgod
Thou art That
How so? You are still a 100% interdependent creature with the Source that nurtures you, both physically and spiritually. So what does birth have to do with any so-called 'separation'?
Depends what you mean by 'God'. What is 'God'?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I see you care not at all the concept of being an individual.
As if you were born as a virus.
We are human.
Denying your individuality is pointless.
Physically and spiritually.
With denial in your hand I might as well be conversing with a rock.
Use you definition of God and then answer.....are you God?
godnotgod
Thou art That
You are obviously confused: rocks and individuals does not translate to their being 'separate'. Neither can exist as such without their being 100% interconnected with everything else. That you see some sort of 'separation' is your delusion. Show me where this separation occurs.
[This is obviously a loaded question, folks, LOL]
I am neither God, nor not-God.