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Should women be Priests?
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jeffrey
â Ãig Dogâ
Women can now serve in the milatary in England (Which my wife served in) and America, fight on the front lines and die 'For their God and Country'. If they can die for God, seems to me they can preach God's word just as well as a man. Why is religion so slow to adapt to the times and reality? :banghead3
Green Gaia
Veteran Member
Not all are! :jiggy:jeffrey said:
Halcyon
Lord of the Badgers
Personally, I don't think men or women should be priests - can't see the point of middle men.jeffrey said:
However, if you believe in the God of the bible and in the necessity of clergy, then you're pretty much slapping God in the face by not allowing women to be ordained.
This is how i see it, God created humanity - men AND women in His image, right. So, if you don't accept the female version of that image to be as spiritually equal as the male version, what message are you sending to your God?
If I were your God, i'd be pretty angry.
Quiddity
UndertheInfluenceofGiants
It has been my understanding that virtually all the pagan religions of the time of Christ had priestesses, and it would have been entirely normal and natural for him to choose women for this task. He had, moreover, a number of excellent potential candidates, from his own Mother, who accompanied him at his first miracle and stood with him as he suffered on the cross, to Mary Magdalene or the women of Bethany. Instead, he chose only men, and he remained immovable on this.
So there is no inherent "right" to ordination. There is no "due." Thus there is no justice denied. Biblically speaking, Christ "called to him those he wanted" (Mark 3:13). Following the Ascension, it was the Church that received the duty of authenticating and validating vocations to the priesthood. Even the great apostle Paul, who received a special revelation and direct calling from Jesus, had to have that calling verified by the leaders of the Church.
None of this means that women or men are any less or more. Once people begin to see how much the Catholic Church loves the Holy Mother and that God is not an androgynous divine being but pure Spirit with no gender the whole argument of maleness begins to lose weight. This one really is as simple as God wanted it that way and for further clarification I would think He would have to inspire someone to write a book on male and female differences and His decision on it. I don't mean to sound crass or mean but I think for many who object it could be pride because the whole point of bringing happiness/peace is to have something that works. And in the eyes of God it was best to have a male priesthood.
~Victor
PS-The first and most influential teachers in my opinion are mommies. I think they do a better job. Perhaps I should get mad at God for making women better at this...:149:
So there is no inherent "right" to ordination. There is no "due." Thus there is no justice denied. Biblically speaking, Christ "called to him those he wanted" (Mark 3:13). Following the Ascension, it was the Church that received the duty of authenticating and validating vocations to the priesthood. Even the great apostle Paul, who received a special revelation and direct calling from Jesus, had to have that calling verified by the leaders of the Church.
None of this means that women or men are any less or more. Once people begin to see how much the Catholic Church loves the Holy Mother and that God is not an androgynous divine being but pure Spirit with no gender the whole argument of maleness begins to lose weight. This one really is as simple as God wanted it that way and for further clarification I would think He would have to inspire someone to write a book on male and female differences and His decision on it. I don't mean to sound crass or mean but I think for many who object it could be pride because the whole point of bringing happiness/peace is to have something that works. And in the eyes of God it was best to have a male priesthood.
~Victor
PS-The first and most influential teachers in my opinion are mommies. I think they do a better job. Perhaps I should get mad at God for making women better at this...:149:
Dark_Waltz
Active Member
Women? Priests?jeffrey said:
Women Priests? cheese ? Cake? cheese cake?
You will hear rubbish such as this *ahem*.....
Women should not be priests it is an abomination because of course God is a male because god has a penis too yes he does *nods*
What they really mean to say is
Our religion has been persecuting women for centuries and do not intend to stop now, we fear them and we fear there wisdom which is why we burn witches and any woman with knowledge and power beyond our comprehension was a witch and evil there role is to stare at the ceiling bear our children and be on the receiving end of our fists.
Of course we pagans know god is male and female priests and priestess Lord and Lady sun and moon, Male and female is natural Everything is has an opposite and both have beauty, both are nothing without the other as life would not be created
Mini preach over
ahem
Get over yourselves
Mike182
Flaming Queer
ive not read the whole thread yet, so ill post anyway, and if im repeating, sorry
should women be priests?
i don't see why not
the only valid reason is because the bible does not contain women preachers, and jesus never spoke out against this, so jesus must have agreed with it
while it is a valid argument, the bible was written by men, no women involved, so it will be written from a biased male stand point
and bearing in mind the culture of that day, women were not expected to teach, and were deffinatley not conciderd equal to men
so, i don't agree with "the bible shows women should not be teachers/pastors/preachers/priests" for the reasons stated above
and i can't think of any other arguments against women priests, though, if someone would like to present me with one, ill give it a go
mike
should women be priests?
i don't see why not
the only valid reason is because the bible does not contain women preachers, and jesus never spoke out against this, so jesus must have agreed with it
while it is a valid argument, the bible was written by men, no women involved, so it will be written from a biased male stand point
and bearing in mind the culture of that day, women were not expected to teach, and were deffinatley not conciderd equal to men
so, i don't agree with "the bible shows women should not be teachers/pastors/preachers/priests" for the reasons stated above
and i can't think of any other arguments against women priests, though, if someone would like to present me with one, ill give it a go
mike
jeffrey
â Ãig Dogâ
Back when Jesus walked the earth, women did not hold any position of authority. We also didn't drive cars. Or type on the internet. Times change. SOME religions need to keep up with the times. I think in my life time, at least I hope, you will see Catholic women as priests. This isn't 26 AD, it's 2006 AD.
Dark_Waltz
Active Member
See You are the kind of person I am talking aboutDeut 13:1 said:
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
You mean, like running a business or being a deacon(ess) or apostle?jeffrey said:
The famous letter of Pliny to Trajan indicates that there were female deacons. The first convert in Philippi was a female businessperson. Romans 16 records a female apostle.
Green Gaia
Veteran Member
It won't happen. Married priests - maybe, but not female priests, not in the Catholic church anyway.jeffrey said:
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
An interesting side branch to this question, which may contain at least part of the answer is...
Do mens an womens Souls differ in any way?
I would think not.
Whether a Soul comes to inhabit a male or female body, is just down to the chance of biology.
The resultant human is equally worthy of any role they are capable of.
Terry_______________________
Blessed are the pure of heart, they shall behold their God.
Do mens an womens Souls differ in any way?
I would think not.
Whether a Soul comes to inhabit a male or female body, is just down to the chance of biology.
The resultant human is equally worthy of any role they are capable of.
Terry_______________________
Blessed are the pure of heart, they shall behold their God.
jeffrey
â Ãig Dogâ
Very good point. Romans 16:1 "I commend to you Phoebe our sister, who is (also) a minister of the church at Cenchreae. 2 That you may recieve her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the holy ones, and help her in whatever she may need from you, for she has been a benefactor to many and to me as well."