"This" generation means Jews. The creators of the NT knew it would take forever to convert the Jews to their new religion. In the meantime they collect mucho bucks spreading their fear beliefs that Jesus is coming back any minute knowing ALL Jews will not be converted.
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Who are "this generation"? Matthew 24:34
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"This" generation means Jews. The creators of the NT knew it would take forever to convert the Jews to their new religion. In the meantime they collect mucho bucks spreading their fear beliefs that Jesus is coming back any minute knowing ALL Jews will not be converted.
Are you then saying Jesus' warning of earthquakes "in one place after another" was limited to the Jewish world?
That hardly seems likely. Especially as these are the Gospels we're talking about. Jesus was obviously targeting the Nations with this warning.... not the Jews.
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Xchristian
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Everything 'Jesus' answered his disciples (earthquakes, war, famine) the average person has no power over. Isn't that the point he was making?
M_Wm_Ferguson_MTh
Retired churchman.
Was he? According to ___? I've provided references for what I've posted. You?
Why did you ask me a question, but then apparently seek to influence my response by answering it for me?
Oh, and since you mentioned "the Gospels":
Shall I continue?
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Christ is The Word of God Revelation 19:17. I understand that to mean all that God has purposed to do He will do. Matthew 24:34 World English Bible
Most certainly I tell you, this generation will not pass away, until all these things are accomplished.
Matthew 6:10 your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Who can say God's will on Earth is accomplished?
He was talking to everyone who is hoping for God's Kingdom. The generation that hopes for God's Kingdom. Was, is and is coming.
Most certainly I tell you, this generation will not pass away, until all these things are accomplished.
Matthew 6:10 your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Who can say God's will on Earth is accomplished?
He was talking to everyone who is hoping for God's Kingdom. The generation that hopes for God's Kingdom. Was, is and is coming.
Shermana
Heretic
If you believe it applies to every generation, does that mean the generation he was speaking to at the time never died? He was clearly referring to the destruction of Jerusalem about to arrive in 40 years or so and the generation of that time that would live through it. Not the end times altogether. Just the end of the "age".
Shermana
Heretic
^This.
Why then did the writer use the word that means this; I pass by, pass away, pass out of sight; I am rendered void, become vain, neglect, disregard. (Strong's 3928) which sounds like everyone hoping for God's Kingdom will never be disregarded as in Matthew 28:20 AND NOT this word meaning "die"? ; I die, am dying, am dead. (Strong's 2348). Maybe some mental gymnastics might be good for you!
Me Myself
Back to my username
Doing pull ups with the branch of a tree doesn´t mean the purpose of the branch was for you to get biceps, nor you will understand the tree much better from doing pull ups with it.
So if the man of lawlessness was the one(s) who handed forward to modern society a twisted version of the scriptures everyone will just take their chance with it? Count me out.
Shermana
Heretic
Indeed, the original Nazarene Jewish religion has been highjacked over history by men of lawlessness into an antinomian lawless deviation that has little to do with its original roots as a Torah obedient Jewish sect.
InvestigateTruth
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In Bible, people who live in the same Age, are considered the same generation.
So, as I believe New age started in 19th Century, those are all people lived upto then.
Then the New Age, marks the end of the previous people, or previous generation, who are considered passed away or expired.
For example there is another verse that says such words: "Some of you shall not taste the Dead, till son of man returnes"
In that verse, which is about return of Christ, is talking about, "some of you who are part of the people of this Age" shall not spiritually die. Meaning, when Christ returns, there will be still some True Chritian believers who spiritually remained alive.
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From Heaven's point of view generation can span many thousands of years. Time is man's measurement. Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob' He is not the God of the dead but of the living. Luke 20:38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive." I believe what is highlighted is "this generation".
When 'Jesus' said "this generation' he meant 'the lost sheep of the house of Israel'. This generation means the people of the generation he came to preach to. Then by extension ALL who listen to what he says to understand. Matthew 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."
Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
When 'Jesus' said "this generation' he meant 'the lost sheep of the house of Israel'. This generation means the people of the generation he came to preach to. Then by extension ALL who listen to what he says to understand. Matthew 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."
Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
M_Wm_Ferguson_MTh
Retired churchman.
According to _____? And please don't take the circular route and simply throw more Bible verses at me
According to _____? And please don't take the circular route and simply throw more Bible verses at me
Because God's Kingdom is for people and people are what makes it happen. This generation WILL NOT PASS AWAY until all things occur. Think Noah. Do you think the Kingdom will come for no one? Why would it? Bless you nondenominational researcher for talking to me. I get real lonely sometimes.
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Me Myself
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the problem with that, is that if it is ALL generations that have heard him till this one, he has lied to more or less what? 2000 years worth of generations? Cause if he has promised this to ALL those generations that heard him and most well... passed...
It wouldn´t really look well for Jesus credibility at all o.o. Better let him mistake once than once for each passed generation since people have heard/read that bit o.o
He did not say "die". He did not say they would not die. I posted the Greek. If he meant to pass away from life to death he would have said so. I think the warning means if you see the end of Mankind please know it does not mean the end of the faithful. It is encouragement for all the people who believe but are being torn between believing and this: "Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die." There is another scripture of a prophet, that he was feeling "is it worth it?" but I have to go away. Maybe I will find it later but the feeling in my heart is "is it worth it?"
Jeremiah 9:2 Oh, that I had in the desert a lodging place for travelers, so that I might leave my people and go away from them; for they are all adulterers, a crowd of unfaithful people.
Lamentations 1:18 "The LORD is righteous, yet I rebelled against his command. Listen, all you peoples; look upon my suffering. My young men and maidens have gone into exile.
Habakkuk 1:4 Therefore the law is paralyzed, and justice never prevails. The wicked hem in the righteous, so that justice is perverted.
Habakkuk 1:13 Your eyes are too pure to look on evil; you cannot tolerate wrong. Why then do you tolerate the treacherous? Why are you silent while the wicked swallow up those more righteous than themselves?
Ezra 9:15 O LORD, God of Israel, you are righteous! We are left this day as a remnant. Here we are before you in our guilt, though because of it not one of us can stand in your presence."
Nehemiah 9:34 Our kings, our leaders, our priests and our fathers did not follow your law; they did not pay attention to your commands or the warnings you gave them
Daniel 9:5 we have sinned and done wrong. We have been wicked and have rebelled; we have turned away from your commands and laws.
It is a pattern and it is happening still BUT despite ALL that "This generation" will not be "passed by". It means the generation that Christ communicates to will never be neglected.
2 Kings 6:16 "Don't be afraid," the prophet answered. "Those who are with us are more than those who are with them."
Lamentations 1:18 "The LORD is righteous, yet I rebelled against his command. Listen, all you peoples; look upon my suffering. My young men and maidens have gone into exile.
Habakkuk 1:4 Therefore the law is paralyzed, and justice never prevails. The wicked hem in the righteous, so that justice is perverted.
Habakkuk 1:13 Your eyes are too pure to look on evil; you cannot tolerate wrong. Why then do you tolerate the treacherous? Why are you silent while the wicked swallow up those more righteous than themselves?
Ezra 9:15 O LORD, God of Israel, you are righteous! We are left this day as a remnant. Here we are before you in our guilt, though because of it not one of us can stand in your presence."
Nehemiah 9:34 Our kings, our leaders, our priests and our fathers did not follow your law; they did not pay attention to your commands or the warnings you gave them
Daniel 9:5 we have sinned and done wrong. We have been wicked and have rebelled; we have turned away from your commands and laws.
It is a pattern and it is happening still BUT despite ALL that "This generation" will not be "passed by". It means the generation that Christ communicates to will never be neglected.
2 Kings 6:16 "Don't be afraid," the prophet answered. "Those who are with us are more than those who are with them."