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Is Trinity in the Bible?
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MdmSzdWhtGuy said:
And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven with the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. revelation 20 1,2................ the bible harmonizes and reveals this to us, but the bible does not teach the trinity as far as i am aware.
(Revelation 12:9) So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him
Not speaking of the inspired Truth, which is the Scripture, breathed into the hearts and minds of those who put in writings. I was referring to the word "bible".may said:
And I quote..........
The term "Scripture (or Scriptures)" is used once in the Book of Daniel and fifty-four times in the New Testament. It refers to the whole book, which is commonly known as "the Bible." The parts of The Scripture, or individual books, are called "books" or "scrolls," which are biblos or biblion in Greek. These words do not refer to the complete writ, The Scriptures.
The word "Bible" for The Scriptures was first used about A.D. 400. The papyrus, on which all documents were written, was imported from Egypt through the Phoenician seaport Gebal, which the Greeks called Byblos or Byblus. This seaport was the home of the Phoenician Sun-deity. This city was founded by Baal Chronos and was the seat of Adonis and once contained a large temple of Adonis. The sun-god was associated with the "Lady of Biblos." Both the city of Byblos in Phoenicia and the city Byblis in Egypt were named after the female deity Byblis (also called Byble or Biblis). This deity was the grand-daughter of Apollo, the Greek sun-deity. Byblia was also a name for Venus, an astral goddess and a goddess of sensuality among the ancient Greeks.
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See nothing to do with the True inspired writings.
God is love
Active Member
I looke up the word "Trinity" in my topical guide and looked through just to make sure I didn't overlook the word some where. As others have said, the word "Trinity" is not in the bible.
For some reason the Father, the Son {Jesus the Christ} and the Holy Spirit have been called this. It has caused some confusion over the years. There are some that believe they are all one person but Matthew 3:17 disproves that theory, completely.
Matthew 3:17
"And JESUS when He was baptized WENT UP straighway OUT OF THE WATER and the heavens were opened unto Him and He saw the SPIRIT OF GOD DESCENDING like a dove and LIGHTING UPON Him and A VOICE FROM HEAVEN saying "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased."
Jesus was in the water, the Spirit of God was descending upon Him and a voice from Heaven was declaring that Jesus was His Son. These Beings were comming from three different directions. They were in seperate areas at the same moment in time. The FATHER was speaking from Heaven while His SON was COMMING UP up out of the water and the SPIRIT of God was DESCENDING. The Father said "This is my beloved Son".
He didn't say "This is myself" Logic would say that if the Father is saying Jesus is His Son then Jesus' Father is the voice speaking. They are Father and Son. If the voice in Heaven is God then Jesus is the Son of God.
What may have caused the "Trinity" theory is "Oneness"
John 10:30 {in bible}
"I and the Father are one."
Since a Father and Son can't be the same person or share the same body, there has to be another kind of oneness.
This oneness is described here
Philippians 2:2 {in bible}
""That ye be like minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind."
For the jokers,
No that "accord" isn't a car that they should all be in carpooling, or have joint ownership of. It's being in agreement.:bounce :bounce :bounce
For some reason the Father, the Son {Jesus the Christ} and the Holy Spirit have been called this. It has caused some confusion over the years. There are some that believe they are all one person but Matthew 3:17 disproves that theory, completely.
Matthew 3:17
"And JESUS when He was baptized WENT UP straighway OUT OF THE WATER and the heavens were opened unto Him and He saw the SPIRIT OF GOD DESCENDING like a dove and LIGHTING UPON Him and A VOICE FROM HEAVEN saying "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased."
Jesus was in the water, the Spirit of God was descending upon Him and a voice from Heaven was declaring that Jesus was His Son. These Beings were comming from three different directions. They were in seperate areas at the same moment in time. The FATHER was speaking from Heaven while His SON was COMMING UP up out of the water and the SPIRIT of God was DESCENDING. The Father said "This is my beloved Son".
He didn't say "This is myself" Logic would say that if the Father is saying Jesus is His Son then Jesus' Father is the voice speaking. They are Father and Son. If the voice in Heaven is God then Jesus is the Son of God.
What may have caused the "Trinity" theory is "Oneness"
John 10:30 {in bible}
"I and the Father are one."
Since a Father and Son can't be the same person or share the same body, there has to be another kind of oneness.
This oneness is described here
Philippians 2:2 {in bible}
""That ye be like minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind."
For the jokers,
No that "accord" isn't a car that they should all be in carpooling, or have joint ownership of. It's being in agreement.:bounce :bounce :bounce
The Spirit of Elohim is the seven high malak which are the Malakhim. For your understanding....... they are the seven arch angels. As has been stated all through out the Scripture, YAH has never been seen but the one who He sends. He sends His messengers to do His bidding. Just as YAHshua does.
Longwindedpreacher
New Member
Does anybody who knows the Bible, waste their time on the internet all day? Well somebody got lucky because I am one who does. But not all day. The Trinity. Someone said that we got here by evolution. Can something finite, make infinity. Every creation demands a creator. Someone also said" Jesus separated himself for a time, and is going back to being one with God". Well although you believe them, these are wrong. We were created by God. John 1:1 In the begining was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. I really dont have time to go into great detail. But Ill tell you this, the man Christ was born. The man did not exist before Bethlehem. But God did. You read John 3:34, Col 2:19, Acts 2:36, John 14:9-11, Isa 9:6 All show you that God was in the man. The mind of God was given fully to Jesus, So Jesus could say of a truth " I am the Good Shepard" or "I am the first and the Last" and we know of God being the first and the last, right. Well Jesus was so full of God that after his death, the spirit that was promised by the father was poured out. Jesus was the Father. The Father Acts1:4, Acts 2:17, Acts 2:39, 2 Cor 6:16 promised to put his spirit in us to cause us to be holy, and he gave us an eternal inheritance. Heb 9:16-18 says that where a testament is there must be the death of the testator, or the will has no power while he lives. So when did the Father die? On calvery. His death was neccesary for us to have church as we do today. So in summary Heb 1:3 say Jesus was in the express image of his person, adn the brightness of his glory. Jesus was and is everything that God is. The only difference is God was a man, and no longer a spirit. When the time of mediation is over with, we'll see only Jesus.
joeboonda
Well-Known Member
20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
(King James Bible, Acts)
5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
(King James Bible, 1 John)
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
(King James Bible, John)
Bible-believing Christians such as myself believe that Jesus and God are one, as seen in the first verse, God shed his blood, the WORD was made flesh, and also made the world, and the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one. Jesus was God as he accepted worship, and forgave sins, as only God could do. The God of the Bible as I understand is one God, but tri-une in nature. I don't really know what all the fuss is about anyway, its not like we mere humans are capable of understanding everything about God, but we can understand a little if we believe the Bible is God's revelation of who He is to us. Just some thots.
Mike
(King James Bible, Acts)
5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
(King James Bible, 1 John)
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
(King James Bible, John)
Bible-believing Christians such as myself believe that Jesus and God are one, as seen in the first verse, God shed his blood, the WORD was made flesh, and also made the world, and the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one. Jesus was God as he accepted worship, and forgave sins, as only God could do. The God of the Bible as I understand is one God, but tri-une in nature. I don't really know what all the fuss is about anyway, its not like we mere humans are capable of understanding everything about God, but we can understand a little if we believe the Bible is God's revelation of who He is to us. Just some thots.
Mike
Yes....... If I were to give up my son to spill his blood then I would be spilling my own blood.joeboonda said:
joeboonda said:
Glad you stated what translation this came from. It is one of the few that have it. Most don't as it is worded there. It was added by whomever to prove their belief in a trinity. We all know we are not to add to or take away from.joeboonda said:
Yes......... My Elohim could speak words in the beginning.joeboonda said:
Yes ............ My Elohim made all things and is all knowing and all seeing. All He did was speak His word and it became into being.joeboonda said:
Yes................ My Elohim spoke and His only begotten was made flesh. And as I have enlarged as well as underlined for your reading pleasure is that which separates the Two.joeboonda said:
Scripture believing, Hebraic Assemblies, of which I am a member, do not agree with your understanding.joeboonda said:
It's simple .............. Everyone thinks they have the right understanding but most disagree with one another.joeboonda said:
joeboonda
Well-Known Member
God was manifest in the flesh according to II Timothy 3:16, God paid for our sins with his own blood, As Jesus is God. The translation of John 5:7, is in 95% of the 5,309 surviving greek manuscripts we have in today. So, only the 5% that were very corrupted, and I refer to the Siniaticus and Vaticanus mss, were the only that did not have them. Many Bible per-versions we have today unfortunately used Westcott and Horts translations, whereas the KJV used the 95% that agreed and that had that verse, called the Textus Receptus or Received Text.
You do not seem to understand, the Word was with God, and the Word was God, and the Word became FLESH and dwelt among us. I guess we will differ here, but I believe in the deity of Christ, that He is one with the Father, part of the Trinity.
You do not seem to understand, the Word was with God, and the Word was God, and the Word became FLESH and dwelt among us. I guess we will differ here, but I believe in the deity of Christ, that He is one with the Father, part of the Trinity.
searcher63
Member
Yes...I think we could be two peas in a pod....Perhaps "WE" are a TRINITY..(If you throw in the pod that is)wmam said:LOL ......... Well I am just as guilty cause I didn't catch it either 'til now. I was laughing at your answer all together. LOL. I see we do look at allot of things in the same light.
IT was not in the earlier inspired words ,so it has been added , so it is spurious , God did not put it there , it was added to support the manmade trinity doctrine , i do not think it is right to add wrong thoughts to the bible , and the flocks have got to believing the lies over the spread of time , i wonder what the true God thinks about adding things to his words :tsk:michel said:
The word, (JESUS CHRIST) did become flesh , he left the heavens where he lived with his father Jehovah ,and was born of a woman (Mary) but that does not make him the ALLMIGHTY it means he was born as a man flesh and blood. he left the heavens to come to the earth, and his father sent himjoeboonda said:
For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life ... john 3;16
For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him. john 3;17
because I have come down from heaven to do, not my will, but the will of him that sent me john 6;38
(1 John 4:9) By this the love of God (Jehovah)was made manifest in our case, because God sent forth his only-begotten Son into the world that we might gain life through him
Longwindedpreacher
New Member
may said:
joeboonda
Well-Known Member
Immanuel, in Mathew, means God with us. Jesus accepted worship and forgave sins as only God can do.
40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
(King James Bible, Isaiah)
1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; 1:2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
(King James Bible, Mark)
Let me ask you this. Is this not the fulfilment of that prophecy? Isaiah said one would come crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, Make straight in the desert a highway for our GOD. John cried out in the wilderness, preparing the way for Jesus, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make his paths straight.This is the prophecy fulfilled. Now Isaiah called Him God, so I call Him God too. He can be both the Son of God and God, separate, but one. Thus I believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, and these 3 are one. None were created beings, all were with God in the beginning. They have always existed and share the same attributes. Everything else, angels, man, etc. was created by this ONE, but tri-une, three-in-one God, Jehovah. I could show you a chart sometime, of verses that show each of these, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, all share the same attributes of God the Father. They have individual characteristics, yet are one.