Why do we call upon Jesus to drive out demons?

Hi everyone, I decided to come back again, (even though I remain logged on most of the time and it seems like I'm online) I decided to talk about what may my views based on the historical and theoligcal side of things and mixed it with my own conclusions, this is debatable by some, but I wanted to share why my beliefs may or may not be valid.

Many people have wondered, why is Jesus so signifigant? Isn't just like calling upon Buddha or Shiva to drive out demons and evil spirits? Why is Jesus any different? Why would his methods work and others wouldn't?

Of course, when people ask these questions they think to themselves "that's a good point, Jesus is just like saying the easter bunny and Santa Claus exist, so I think it makes sense to say that Jesus is just like every other worshipped idol or person out there"

So why is it so important to have the power of Christ with you to drive out evil spirits? I shall explain this from the begining in the old testament.

When Adam and Eve had been created and put on this earth, and the devil came to know this, he found a way out of his pit back in hell, unto a new portal that opened up this new land called Earth.

Now, before I bring up Adam and Eve this is Satan's story:

Lucifer (or whomever) had the position as head of the angels, he was meant to keep a balance with the angels and made sure they would uphold the laws, but one thing Satan didn't like (Lucifer at the time) was that God decided to create an image in his likeness, and the angels were to watch over this creation, now there where two problems that Lucifer committed which got him kicked out of heaven, one, in his position, he was given great power, in this, he thought he could rally many of heaven's angels against God to overthrow him, Lucifer was the most beautiful creation in all the heavens, he thought he could obtain more power and more beauty than God himself.

Another issue is that he did not approve of God's plan for creation, he wanted to be the all top prime, and given that every creation is given free choice, he rebelled against creation and all that had to do with it.These two acts had cause God to cast Lucifer into a portal of emptyness and sorrow, there he claimed it his own territory, and with other angels that followed him, they had received the same fate, in this, they became evil and their ways and hateful of humans, now, unto Adam and Eve.

When the devil observed that the first two humans where placed upon this earth, he set a course and tore out of hell's way and unto the earth, he took notes specificly of what God told Adam and Eve not to do, which was partake of the forbidden fruit, when Satan gazed upon this, he claimed victory as his own, and appeared to Adam and Eve as an angel of light, grace, and beauty.

The devil used this disguise to tempt Adam and Eve, he twisted the story and said "if you take this fruit, I will give you more power than God himself" in this cunning attempt, Satan succeeded, and the will to bind Satan within man's own power was gone forever, for we became his prey.

When God saw this, he devised a counterattack against the devil's outsmartting wits, he came up with a second plan, a Plan B to break the power of the devil and his evil, and in this, he would create the perfect human giving them free will, this man's name was "Jesus"

As Adam and Eve failed to rebuke the devil in their own person, this set a course of events that made us vunerable to the devil's attacks, he could now gain access throughout mankind, the key had opened the door he had been trying to get open since he first layed eyes on it.

Jesus, like the rest of us, was given free will in order to see if this perfect creation could either follow God's will, or again fall to the tricks of Satan.

A question that may come up in your mind may be this: "if he was perfect, why was there any need to give him a free will?" Well, this is a tough one for me to explain, but Jesus was again just human, the reason he was classified as "perfect" is because that was the whole ideal concept, he was to be the prophecy of deliverance, the king above all, but in addition to that, he had to have proven his worthieness, Jesus could have easily went and turned the other way, but his spirit, being molded as a spirit of a true king, went on fighting, his spirit knew what he was and who he was, the son of God.

When Satan had got word of this man called Jesus, he could not be touched, he began to see a flaw in his victory, the king was created.

Satan with the time he had put every last breath into tempting and distracting Jesus from who he was, by that time the instructions that where given to Marry had been fufilled, Jesus had already developed a relationship with what his spirit knew was his father, and the devil was now going to attempt to attack this bond, by breaking Jesus away from his purpose and consistently attacking him with every last bit of strength, he was lead by the devil and tempted by him, and after all of his tricks, he failed in doing so.

When all else failed, Satan resorted to killing Jesus, but one thing he didn't realize was that in crucifying Jesus, he had made a terrible error, because Jesus was meant to be sacraficed, he was meant to resurrect from the dead and appear with permanent wounds in his flesh, thus, symbolizing his sacrafice for the world, to mend what Adam and Eve had committed in falling for temptation and thus founding the first sin.

Not only would Lucifer go after him by tempting his will, he would also attack him by inflicting fear and corrupting his power against him, overthrowing his position, many times him and his demons would go through people to attack Jesus, to see if he would drive them out, and so in this, he did so, even when Satan came to Jesus, he rebuked him "get away from me Satan!"

The demon Legion, could not withstand the power of Jesus, he got on his knees an Legion, could not withstand the power of Jesus, he got on his knees and said "what will you do with me? son of the most high god? swear to him you won't torture me and send us into the pigs!"

When all else failed, Satan resorted to killing Jesus, but one thing he didn't realize was that in crucifying Jesus, he had made a terrible error, because Jesus was meant to be sacraficed, he was meant to resurrect from the dead and appear with permanent wounds in his flesh, thus, symbolizing his sacrafice for the world, to mend what Adam and Eve had committed in falling for temptation and thus founding the first sin.

If Satan had known this, he would have taken better precautions and baby steps in overthrowing Jesus and his power, other methods of killing him off, this is where God had tricked him, so all in all, why is it successful to call upon Jesus when driving out evil spirits? Because the devil failed in corrupting his will, he failed in distracting him, he failed in tempting him, he failed in every aspect he withdrawed against Jesus, and therefore, any other methods of driving out demons are useless, and no one shall command demons in their own will power, only with Jesus shall you be successful in driving out the devil.

Thanks for reading, and I've more answers if anyone has any more questions, once again, thanks

hmm... people of my faith have called on Creator to "drive out demons" and done just fine without Jesus.

Our methods seem to be working just fine, and have for thousands of years.

wa:do

Why do we call upon the name of Jesus to drive out demons?

Before Jesus ascended to God's Right Hand...he gave the command to carry out the Great Commission.

He also said...

"He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will follow all who believe: In my name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them: they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover." Mark 16:15-18

We were given the authority in Christ to cast out demons.

Frubals

Are you saying that people of other faiths are not able to "cast out demons"? Granted, I don't believe in demons, but I know many Shinto, Religious Taoist, Shamans, and Pagan "priests" who do just that with no need for Jesus. Your logic fails in your premise.

Master Vigil said:

Are you saying that people of other faiths are not able to "cast out demons"? Granted, I don't believe in demons, but I know many Shinto, Religious Taoist, Shamans, and Pagan "priests" who do just that with no need for Jesus. Your logic fails in your premise.

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It depends really, demons are tricky, they can go away but always come back, but if your method has been successful perhaps there are other given powers from holy forces that have permitted this, who knows really, what I do know is that NO ONE can cast out demons with their own authority, and if they have, it is not a permanent resolve around the problem and you have been fooled by the spirits themselves

Boltwave said:

It depends really, demons are tricky, they can go away but always come back, but if your method has been successful perhaps there are other given powers from holy forces that have permitted this, who knows really, what I do know is that NO ONE can cast out demons with their own authority, and if they have, it is not a permanent resolve around the problem and you have been fooled by the spirits themselves

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I don't understand how you can know this for sure. Have you ever been harassed by a demon or any entity of malign intent?
If not, how can you know what will work and what won't work?

Boltwave said:

It depends really, demons are tricky, they can go away but always come back, but if your method has been successful perhaps there are other given powers from holy forces that have permitted this, who knows really, what I do know is that NO ONE can cast out demons with their own authority, and if they have, it is not a permanent resolve around the problem and you have been fooled by the spirits themselves

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When you talk about "Demons", I take it you are talking about a soul who is sinning ? - or do you actually believe in evil entities?

Boltwave said:

It depends really, demons are tricky, they can go away but always come back, but if your method has been successful perhaps there are other given powers from holy forces that have permitted this, who knows really, what I do know is that NO ONE can cast out demons with their own authority, and if they have, it is not a permanent resolve around the problem and you have been fooled by the spirits themselves

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You know this for sure? I know many who have the power to do this. Without calling upon anything. However, the spirits surely do help if needed. But Jesus is not a prerequisite for working with spirits of any kind.

I wonder if invoking Jesus's name on my shower floor would exorcise my demonic mildew? No other name i've tried thus far has worked...

michel said:

When you talk about "Demons", I take it you are talking about a soul who is sinning ? - or do you actually believe in evil entities?

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No, I don't mean a person who is sinning or sins, I mean evil spirits, external beings from the depths of hell, Satan's minions, but you get the idea, I'm being a little too self-explanatory

mr.guy said:

I wonder if invoking Jesus's name on my shower floor would exorcise my demonic mildew? No other name i've tried thus far has worked...

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It's too bad atheists base their beliefs on total and utter denial, not to mention being so uneducated and all

mr.guy said:

I wonder if invoking Jesus's name on my shower floor would exorcise my demonic mildew? No other name i've tried thus far has worked...

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It doesn`t work, I tried it.


Ok premises..

Can you evidence these "demons" you speak of?

I`d also like to ask you where you got your history of Satan story, it doesn`t jibe Biblically.

Boltwave:
It's too bad atheists base their beliefs on total and utter denial, not to mention being so uneducated and all

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It`s apparent you don`t even know the definition of "atheist", please look it up before making any more less than stellar statements like above.

To the best of my knowledge, atheists have no "base" to found a belief, or is that another denial? Additionally, i have a hard time thinking you of all people would have a problem with the ignorant...self-loathing, is it?

linwood said:

Can you evidence these "demons" you speak of?

I`d also like to ask you where you got your history of Satan story, it doesn`t jibe Biblically.

It`s apparent you don`t even know the definition of "atheist", please look it up before making any more less than stellar statements like above.

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No, I can honestly say I cannot prove the existence of evil spirits physically, no one can do that.

Second of all,the story of Satan and Lucifer can be found in many areas, the book of Enoch, the Bible's old testament, the Koran, etc

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No, I can honestly say I cannot prove the existence of evil spirits physically, no one can do that.

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Then why on Earth would someone need to "Cast one out"?
It would seem to me a person would want to identify the cause of a problem before attempting to solve it.
If demons cannot be physically defined how can one dispell them in the first place?
Why treat a malady that cannot be identified?

Second of all,the story of Satan and Lucifer can be found in many areas, the book of Enoch, the Bible's old testament, the Koran, etc

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Could you please tell me which reference you used for this?

The devil used this disguise to tempt Adam and Eve, he twisted the story and said "if you take this fruit, I will give you more power than God himself" in this cunning attempt, Satan succeeded, and the will to bind Satan within man's own power was gone forever, for we became his prey.

When God saw this, he devised a counterattack against the devil's outsmartting wits, he came up with a second plan, a Plan B to break the power of the devil and his evil, and in this, he would create the perfect human giving them free will, this man's name was "Jesus"

As Adam and Eve failed to rebuke the devil in their own person, this set a course of events that made us vunerable to the devil's attacks, he could now gain access throughout mankind, the key had opened the door he had been trying to get open since he first layed eyes on it.

Remember you`re talking to a person whose analysis of the Bible would lead me to believe that "Satan" was the only honest inhuman being in the book.
I don`t see where the Devil ever lied.

linwood said:

Then why on Earth would someone need to "Cast one out"?
It would seem to me a person would want to identify the cause of a problem before attempting to solve it.
If demons cannot be physically defined how can one dispell them in the first place?
Why treat a malady that cannot be identified?

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Look at it this way, a demon can enter into someone physically, it just cannot be proven that they exist within that person because there is no physical evidence to determine the indwelling, and, the issue can become confused with mental illness, are there such things? Of course, but a spiritual possession cannot be cured medically, there is a dinstinct difference and many doctors overlook the situation as a mental illness and dismiss it as a fact.

It's all about possibilites really, but in our modern day world we cannot prove anything spiritual by taking an x-ray or cat scan of it, for instance, can we prove that there is a spirit inside the human body? No, all we can determine with medical attempts is that the brain is behind the ultimate source of energy.

There are medical doctors who also happen to study the religious and spiritual side of things, they are usually the ones that could tell you what can be cured medically, and what can be cured religiously.

Could you please tell me which reference you used for this?

The devil used this disguise to tempt Adam and Eve, he twisted the story and said "if you take this fruit, I will give you more power than God himself" in this cunning attempt, Satan succeeded, and the will to bind Satan within man's own power was gone forever, for we became his prey.

When God saw this, he devised a counterattack against the devil's outsmartting wits, he came up with a second plan, a Plan B to break the power of the devil and his evil, and in this, he would create the perfect human giving them free will, this man's name was "Jesus"

As Adam and Eve failed to rebuke the devil in their own person, this set a course of events that made us vunerable to the devil's attacks, he could now gain access throughout mankind, the key had opened the door he had been trying to get open since he first layed eyes on it.

Remember you`re talking to a person whose analysis of the Bible would lead me to believe that "Satan" was the only honest inhuman being in the book.
I don`t see where the Devil ever lied.

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You can find that resource in the begining of the bibe, it's right there in front of you, and you can ask theoligists who study other religious writings and the bible and they can say the same thing and point it out directly to you, I take what theoligists have said and taken from similar religions such as Islam, and when you put the pieces together it truly makes sense

... bible, it's right there in front of you,

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Linwood! Are you using your bible as a coaster again?

Look at it this way, a demon can enter into someone physically, it just cannot be proven that they exist within that person because there is no physical evidence to determine the indwelling, and, the issue can become confused with mental illness, are there such things? Of course, but a spiritual possession cannot be cured medically, there is a dinstinct difference and many doctors overlook the situation as a mental illness and dismiss it as a fact.

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They dismiss the possibilties of neurological disorders being caused by demonic possession for the same reasons they dismiss blood loss being caused by vampirism.
Demons are a myth as vampires are.
No MD in his right mind would even consider the diagnosis.

There are medical doctors who also happen to study the religious and spiritual side of things, they are usually the ones that could tell you what can be cured medically, and what can be cured religiously.

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These are not "medical" doctors, these are "Witch" doctors.

You can find that resource in the begining of the bibe, it's right there in front of you,

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No, it`s not.
Nowhere in the OT is "Satan" used in the manner you elude to.
"Satan" is not in the garden, read the story again.

Linwood! Are you using your bible as a coaster again?

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linwood said:

They dismiss the possibilties of neurological disorders being caused by demonic possession for the same reasons they dismiss blood loss being caused by vampirism.
Demons are a myth as vampires are.
No MD in his right mind would even consider the diagnosis.


These are not "medical" doctors, these are "Witch" doctors.

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No actually, not witch doctors, I'm referring to neurologists, psychologists, and even psychiatrists who are involved with Christianity and the church, when they view something that is beyond their control, or demonic, they will consult the church for a further overview to possibly resolve the problem through religious treatment.

No, it`s not.
Nowhere in the OT is "Satan" used in the manner you elude to.
"Satan" is not in the garden, read the story again.

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I believe that theologists get their resources from many books sometimes that may or may not be included in religious writings, although you could very well be correct, I haven't looked into it in a while, although I will be converting over to Catholicism soon, I should be able to find plenty of material on these issues, being the religious enviroment is so detailed and all, but in the end, if your suggestions turn out to be 100% accurate than I shall accept it for what it is

Is Milton cannonical?