Any Pro-Gun Liberals?

No. I don't feel safe with neightbours having guns sorry :/

I'm a raging liberal but no government will take away my second amendment right without a fight.

on my to get list:

12 gauge
AR-15
Glock

I just convinced 2 commercial tenants who are liberals (classical) to take the course, get licensed, & buy handguns to carry.
Both settled on Glocks (#17 & #19) based upon our extensive discussions. The state just became a better place.

Revoltingest said:

I just convinced 2 commercial tenants who are liberals (classical) to take the course, get licensed, & buy handguns to carry.
Both settled on Glocks (#17 & #19) based upon our extensive discussions. The state just became a better place.

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Glock. When you can't afford the very best.

The best? Hah!
No heavy, bulky, single-stack mag boat anchors for me.

Revoltingest said:

The best? Hah!
No heavy, bulky, single-stack mag boat anchors for me.

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I fired a rented one of those at this place:

Wild West Shooting Centre | Real Guns, Real Bullets!

And put 25 rounds in a two inch circle at eight metres after not firing a handgun for about two years. That, my friend, is a quality firearm. Glocks are accurate if the target is in the same Ford Focus as you, but not much further than that. Crappy balance.

PS If you can hit what you're shooting at, you don't need a sixty round mag. Try using both hands, or keeping your eyes open.

Wirey said:

I fired a rented one of those at this place:

Wild West Shooting Centre | Real Guns, Real Bullets!

And put 25 rounds in a two inch circle at eight metres after not firing a handgun for about two years. That, my friend, is a quality firearm. Glocks are accurate if the target is in the same Ford Focus as you, but not much further than that. Crappy balance.

PS If you can hit what you're shooting at, you don't need a sixty round mag. Try using both hands, or keeping your eyes open.

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I'm sure that's a fine weapon for use at a range....where they have a forklift to hold it for you.
Not something you could carry in an IWB holster all day, every day.

Wirey said:

Glock. When you can't afford the very best.

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Desert Eagles are terrible hand cannons though! Or so I hear. Maybe that's just the .50 cal that is unwieldy though.

Revoltingest said:

I'm sure that's a fine weapon for use at a range....where they have a forklift to hold it for you.
Not something you could carry in an IWB holster all day, every day.

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Wuss. get the straps on your truss tightened.

Actually, I wouldn't want to cart it around, either. Sucker punches straight holes, though.

Well, I'm not quite sure I qualify as a liberal but I'm positive the Republicans won't have me anymore.

Either way, I'm a gun owner. As is my wife. And we both spend time teaching our children to shoot.

And Glock makes a fine weapon, if you're into semi-autos (my wife is quite fond of 'em). Personally, I like wheel guns chambered in 357.

I'm also considering carrying concealed bacon.
(They make it in resealable pouches...for quick draw.)
But I can't find any info about how to get a license.

Texas Lynn said:

I always have a Glock 9mm under the driver's seat of the van and always will.

Gun control is to me like abortion: if you don't believe in it, don't get one, and otherwise mind your own business.

The gun control panic by hunters, self-defense advocates, etc. stymied much social progress. People were tricked into voting against themselves and as a liberal i have to say it was our own dang fault.

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But there's a huge difference between abortion and gun control. If you get an abortion, it only affects you. If you have a gun:

1) It could be stolen and used illegally
2) You could have an accident with the gun and kill or injure someone else
3) You could lose your senses and, in an act of great emotion, use your weapon against a spouse or a friend, etc.
4) In actually drawing your gun to fire upon a criminal, you could potentially shoot and kill someone else

In Canada, gun ownership is common especially where I'm from in northern Ontario, but it's generally all hunting rifles. You can't carry around a gun for self-protection. I grew up around plenty of guns, so they don't scare me, but the thought of millions of strangers walking around, most of them probably armed with a gun, all it takes is one of those people to be mentally off balance to cause a bloodbath.

In Canada, I feel safe walking around on the streets, even at night. I don't feel I need a gun to keep myself safe. I understand crime is higher in the US, and so that might lead to more Americans thinking they need it. Personally, I'm happy with our current gun control system as it does the job of reducing shootings and increasing public safety while at the same time, allowing for hunting and sport shooting. I think it strikes a good balance.

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9-Year-Old Girl Shot, Mistaken for Skunk - YouTube

9 year old girl gets shot by a relative when she's mistaken for a skunk. This was at a Halloween party. The sort of gun culture that makes it acceptable to have a loaded shotgun at the ready at a Halloween party with kids in attendance is obviously dangerous. The sort of paranoid and mentally unbalanced people whose first reaction is to pull out a firearm when they're not threatened is exactly the sort of scenario that people who are for gun control wish to prevent.

Is everyone mentally unbalanced? No. Are many gun owners law-abiding and responsible? Sure. But the law must apply equally and fairly. Gun control. Use it.

Vile Atheist said:

[youtube]J_4P5ZeLxTY[/youtube]
9-Year-Old Girl Shot, Mistaken for Skunk - YouTube

9 year old girl gets shot by a relative when she's mistaken for a skunk. This was at a Halloween party. The sort of gun culture that makes it acceptable to have a loaded shotgun at the ready at a Halloween party with kids in attendance is obviously dangerous. The sort of paranoid and mentally unbalanced people whose first reaction is to pull out a firearm when they're not threatened is exactly the sort of scenario that people who are for gun control wish to prevent.

Is everyone mentally unbalanced? No. Are many gun owners law-abiding and responsible? Sure. But the law must apply equally and fairly. Gun control. Use it.

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Are drunk drivers justification for alcohol prohibition?

Father Heathen said:

Are drunk drivers justification for alcohol prohibition?

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I think drunk drivers are generally a justification against drunk driving.

dust1n said:

I think drunk drivers are generally a justification against drunk driving.

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Then let's be consistent with our logic.

Father Heathen said:

Then let's be consistent with our logic.

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Not that I really care about this issue, but wouldn't prohibition be equivalent to a banning of firearms and laws against drinking and driving would be more the area of mild gun control?

The vast majority of liberals I know are "pro-gun" but also "anti-stupid people being able to own guns". The running joke on facebook was that only crazy people object to having a psych evaluation to keep a gun and was followed by a diagram of all the conservative numbers apposing gun control.

"Guns don't kill people, people kill people"

Sure, but I think that the gun helps, and helps a little too much. It's really easy to kill someone with really fast pieces of metal ripping through flesh and bone without knowing what just happened.

EyeofOdin said:

"Guns don't kill people, people kill people"

Sure, but I think that the gun helps, and helps a little too much. It's really easy to kill someone with really fast pieces of metal ripping through flesh and bone without knowing what just happened.

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True but with great power comes great responsibility. There's nothing wrong with gun ownership. Proper training is a must. Proper storage is a must. Proper supervision for many is a must.