Who's Your Savior?

My savior is Jack Daniels, and the cowboy from the Marlboro ads.

almifkhar said:

i did indeed great, thats why i don't understand what christ was supose to have saved us from????

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The arguement is that because of man's original sin (disobedient to God's instruction), man was driven off from the Garden of Eden to toil the earth. Subsequently, man degenerated and became evil, and did many things that were unpleasant to God, and because of all these evils developing, man is suffering on this earth. Even after the flood, and wiping out most of the sin, the orignal sin still pass down from Noah until year AD 33 (or around that time). Hence Jesus came and suffered and took the original sin upon himself, so that man can now be free from the original sin...... etc etc. It is a long story, but essentially there should be no factual error I stated above.

Didn't know I needed saving. Isn't that a purely Judeo-Christian notion? By all means, educate me if I'm incorrect.

Granny Beth said:

Didn't know I needed saving. Isn't that a purely Judeo-Christian notion? By all means, educate me if I'm incorrect.

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You don't need saving.

JesusIsTheWay said:

After the Fall, mankind became infested with sin, and God gave us a chance to "work our way to Heaven;" the Law (Moses, OT). God gave man probably around... 5000 years to see if any one man could perfectly fulfill the Law. Nobody could. So, God sent His one and only Son Jesus Christ, so that those that have faith in Him can live with Him in eternity, but not just in eternity, but here on earth, through the Holy Spirit living and dwelling in those that are saved and have passed from death to life.

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So Jesus came in 1300 AD? Is there any biblical source for dating Jesus around this time, other then yourself, if so, what is it?

I must say, this is the craziest claim I've seen here in a long-long time.

Maize said:

You are correct.

Also, Allah is God, not a savior.

TMK, only Judaism (messiah) and Christianity have the concept of a savior.

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Hate to disagree with you Maize, but for the Muslims Allah is the saviour, as it is he that holds the judgement between heaven and hell with his mercy, thus his mercy saves, and no man stands between the sons of Adam and their God. It could be argued that Mohammad brought a message that guides and thus saves, but Muslims would regard Muhammad as a messenger, leaving judgement and mercy to Allah. The Muslims also expect the arrival of the 'Mahdi' which roughly translates as Messiach, annoited if you will. This will predate the arrival of Isa/Jeheshuah, whereupon Jehesuah will take the reigns from the Mahdi instituting a global system that will be based on egalitarian principles. There are infact hadith of Muhammad, that concern the return of Jeheshuah. The Mahdi will ask Jesheshuah to lead the prayer, but he will decline saying 'the virtue of this religion (Islam) is that the Muslims lead each other', he will then take up his place amongst the congregation. Muhammad himself as far as I am aware did not always lead the prayer, tho' I am sure there were times that he did. This being said I could be wrong as I have no literature on these facts.

Engyo said:

Buddha doesn't save Buddhists; we each save ourselves. Buddha showed us the way to do so, but he himself is powerless to do anything about my life today, because he's been dead for well over 2000 years. I am the only one who can save me, just as you are the only one who can save you.

Although there is a guy on the radio shouting about "Save You Money!!!!!" Does that count?

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Pretty much exactly what I was going to say.

Allah, the Most Gracious, Ever-Merciful, Master of the Day of Requital & Lord of the worlds. There is no other, cannot be and never shall be any other but He. He is All-Knowing and He is the Most-Beneficient.

My savior is DAN-KUN. Dan-Kun is our Korean God. who ruled many parts of what we call China, Middle East, and somepart of Europe. Actually, the one of N.A Indians are originally came from Mongolian,where Mongolians are part of from us. They acrossed by Bearing sea from Mongolia. Korea occupied many lands upper part of Russia, and East side of China, long time ago.

So far it's Jesus by a nose.

Deut 13:1 said:

So Jesus came in 1300 AD? Is there any biblical source for dating Jesus around this time, other then yourself, if so, what is it?

I must say, this is the craziest claim I've seen here in a long-long time.

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Didn't literally mean 5,000 years. It was mildly sarcastic.

Nehustan said:

Hate to disagree with you Maize, but for the Muslims Allah is the saviour, as it is he that holds the judgement between heaven and hell with his mercy, thus his mercy saves, and no man stands between the sons of Adam and their God. It could be argued that Mohammad brought a message that guides and thus saves, but Muslims would regard Muhammad as a messenger, leaving judgement and mercy to Allah. The Muslims also expect the arrival of the 'Mahdi' which roughly translates as Messiach, annoited if you will. This will predate the arrival of Isa/Jeheshuah, whereupon Jehesuah will take the reigns from the Mahdi instituting a global system that will be based on egalitarian principles. There are infact hadith of Muhammad, that concern the return of Jeheshuah. The Mahdi will ask Jesheshuah to lead the prayer, but he will decline saying 'the virtue of this religion (Islam) is that the Muslims lead each other', he will then take up his place amongst the congregation. Muhammad himself as far as I am aware did not always lead the prayer, tho' I am sure there were times that he did. This being said I could be wrong as I have no literature on these facts.

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I have found some...........
http://www.e-resaneh.com/English/Imam%20MAHDI/The%20Saviour%20of%20Mankind.htm
"The hour will arrive suddenly——. Then always keep praying and be awake.—— Be prepared that when this hour comes to pass you may find yourself guided and may be able to present yourself in front of the son of man ——."

The Christians have also misinterpreted the meaning of this verse and have misconstrued the meaning of saviour as Hazrat Isa (A.S.) (i.e. Jesus Christ) rather than someone else.

Even if we assume just for the sake of argument that these verses are regarding Hazrat Isa (A.S.) then maximum it can be interpreted as his advent after Hazrat Mahdi's (A.S.) reappearance. And this world will achieve salvation at the hands of these two great personalities.

Hence according to the Islamic traditions, after his reappearance, Hazrat Mahdi (A.S.) will lead the prayers while Hazrat Isa (A.S.) will pray behind him.Hence it can be concluded that almost all the religions, whether divinely or earthly, believe in the advent of a saviour.

The rays of this belief can be found even amongst the Hindus, Chinese and Egyptians. If all such excerpts are collected at one place then it would become like a detailed compilation. Hence we suf­fice our discussion with the above stated excerpts and raise our hands praying to Allah that:

"0 Lord! Hasten the advent of the promised saviour and make it known to the world that he is none but Mohammad bin AI-Hasan AI-Askari (A.S.)."

Of course, we all realize that you U.U's could never have a saviour, because no one could get you all together at the same time to try and make a decision....... :biglaugh:

First of all my savior is Allah
and in this world i have 2:!
1-Mahdi(AS) 2-Jesus christ(PBUH)
I hope to meet them in my life....both of them
~Mohammad

YAH will save me through my belief of His son YAHshua ha Mashiach ben Dawid.

I said other...

I dont necissarily believe anyone actually died to save me. I belive that there was an allegorical death of Yeshua to save Miriam as Seth saved Sophia from ignorance and into gnosis. I use the term "saved" loosley. That allegory brings me out of the darkness of myself, and into my actual soul which ascends into understanding. (at this point people are thinking "wow... she really IS crazy!")

Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior

Over the years I have noticed one very important fact, I and I alone have created positive change in my life.

Ushta All

Another pet peeve. Mazda Ahura does not condemn any one to eternal, (or any other kind)of hell. There is no literal hell or hell fire and the House of Wrong , which is the only thing that can remotely be considered the equivalent of Abrahamic ( Excuse me my Jewish friends, since I know you do not agree with other abrahamics on this) hell, is not a place but a mental state.

So we do not need saviors.

But I do have a question , specially,for my Islamic and Christian friends, What are you savedfrom? Is it not from hell fire or separation from God? If that is so, who made hell and separation and who sends 'sinners' there in the 'Final Judgment? Isn't it God? So is it not , then, this doctrine really claiming that you are saved from God? Think about it!!

Ushta Ve
Ashai

Are you a Zoroastrian?

Jesus is my teacher; Laozi is my teacher; Buddha is my teacher; George Fox is my teacher; Elias Hicks is my teacher; Krishnamurti is my teacher. All my teachers tell me to seek the light within, and not to rely on teachers.

If the Divine Light is in us, and we are in the Divine Light, what is there to be saved from?