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Do Humans Offend God?

horizon_mj1

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Then your answer to your own question seems to be "no, we cannot offend God", unless I misinterpret.
Let me put this into complete relevant concept; if a parent does all they can to raise a child with proper morality and does everything that all the good little books tell you to; yet that very same child decides to still do what ever it is they deem appropriate (we will say it is "wrong" in this particular scenario), then it is the parents fault?? How can there not be an offense when viewing this from a much larger perspective.
 

Me Myself

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What a childish point of view

Oh yes, I find it very childish to believe God can be offended. You compare God to a regular human parent without any understanding of the basic differences. I compare him with a good understanding of the differences, yet you call mine point of view childish.

Well, my mommy is obviously better than yours.
 

Me Myself

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Let me put this into complete relevant concept; if a parent does all they can to raise a child with proper morality and does everything that all the good little books tell you to; yet that very same child decides to still do what ever it is they deem appropriate (we will say it is "wrong" in this particular scenario), then it is the parents fault?? How can there not be an offense when viewing this from a much larger perspective.

simple: your view is still smaller.

You are not including a lot of elements that he has different than a human parent.

First think of a human parent that knew exactly everything that his child was going to do before having said child, and had complete mental and emotional understanding of this way before conceiving him.

This means that before having the child, he had 100% understanding of which were going to be his errors and his rights. So he has no way of feeling offended. Everything went exactly as he knew was going to happen, and he decided to have the child anyways knowing that was exactly the way it was gonna happen.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
I'm pretty sure if God exists, nothing we do sways him in the slightest.

Isaiah 65:3 the people [made up of] those offending me right to my face constantly, sacrificing in the gardens and making sacrificial smoke upon the bricks,

Jeremiah 25:7 “‘But YOU did not listen to me,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘to the intent that YOU might offend me with the work of YOUR hands, for calamity to yourselves.

Jeremiah 7:18 The sons are picking up sticks of wood, and the fathers are lighting the fire, and the wives are kneading flour dough in order to make sacrificial cakes to the ‘queen of the heavens’; and there is a pouring out of drink offerings to other gods for the purpose of offending me

2 Kings 17:17 and they continued to make their sons and their daughters pass through the fire and to practice divination and to look for omens, and they kept selling themselves to do what was bad in the eyes of Jehovah, to offend him;


Yep, i would say that God does get offended by the actions of mankind.
 

Me Myself

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Isaiah 65:3 the people [made up of] those offending me right to my face constantly, sacrificing in the gardens and making sacrificial smoke upon the bricks,

Jeremiah 25:7 “‘But YOU did not listen to me,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘to the intent that YOU might offend me with the work of YOUR hands, for calamity to yourselves.

Jeremiah 7:18 The sons are picking up sticks of wood, and the fathers are lighting the fire, and the wives are kneading flour dough in order to make sacrificial cakes to the ‘queen of the heavens’; and there is a pouring out of drink offerings to other gods for the purpose of offending me

2 Kings 17:17 and they continued to make their sons and their daughters pass through the fire and to practice divination and to look for omens, and they kept selling themselves to do what was bad in the eyes of Jehovah, to offend him;


Yep, i would say that God does get offended by the actions of mankind.

Literal readings coming from a book were donkeys talk and Saints curse 42 children to be mauled by bears because they called him "baldy" ?

Oh Mee gawd I am so convinced :eek:
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
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Let me put this into complete relevant concept; if a parent does all they can to raise a child with proper morality and does everything that all the good little books tell you to; yet that very same child decides to still do what ever it is they deem appropriate (we will say it is "wrong" in this particular scenario), then it is the parents fault?? How can there not be an offense when viewing this from a much larger perspective.

Again, stop anthropomorphising and comparing a deity to human beings. This is a flawed perception and, if God exists, you cannot honestly hope to understand it by comparing it to human beings.

Isaiah 65:3 the people [made up of] those offending me right to my face constantly, sacrificing in the gardens and making sacrificial smoke upon the bricks,

Jeremiah 25:7 “‘But YOU did not listen to me,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘to the intent that YOU might offend me with the work of YOUR hands, for calamity to yourselves.

Jeremiah 7:18 The sons are picking up sticks of wood, and the fathers are lighting the fire, and the wives are kneading flour dough in order to make sacrificial cakes to the ‘queen of the heavens’; and there is a pouring out of drink offerings to other gods for the purpose of offending me

2 Kings 17:17 and they continued to make their sons and their daughters pass through the fire and to practice divination and to look for omens, and they kept selling themselves to do what was bad in the eyes of Jehovah, to offend him;


Yep, i would say that God does get offended by the actions of mankind.

If God exists I am as certain as can be without knowing for a fact that the bible is irrelevant to understanding Him, especially in an outdated or Christian view. Perhaps looking at Jewish views from a symbolic / metaphorical perspective may yeild a basic understanding, but not spouting out Christian scriptures.
 

horizon_mj1

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Oh yes, I find it very childish to believe God can be offended. You compare God to a regular human parent without any understanding of the basic differences. I compare him with a good understanding of the differences, yet you call mine point of view childish.

Well, my mommy is obviously better than yours.
WOW!!! It is quite apparent to me that you have Not in Any way conceived the conversation that was taking place:rolleyes: If there is no "difference" I give up:facepalm: But your Mommy might be better than mine, but your Daddy isn't:D
 

Me Myself

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WOW!!! It is quite apparent to me that you have Not in Any way conceived the conversation that was taking place:rolleyes: If there is no "difference" I give up:facepalm: But your Mommy might be better than mine, but your Daddy isn't:D

To me it looks you are missing up the most basic and obvious differences.

Do you think any parent would have a normal parenting experience if s/he knew all that his daughter/son would do in advance? Cause God knows. Not only knows, but fully understood it on every level. Before any of us appeared here.

Do you understand that part?
 

horizon_mj1

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simple: your view is still smaller.

You are not including a lot of elements that he has different than a human parent.

First think of a human parent that knew exactly everything that his child was going to do before having said child, and had complete mental and emotional understanding of this way before conceiving him.

This means that before having the child, he had 100% understanding of which were going to be his errors and his rights. So he has no way of feeling offended. Everything went exactly as he knew was going to happen, and he decided to have the child anyways knowing that was exactly the way it was gonna happen.
So God knew then before hand that one of His creations was going to attempt to "replace" Him first off you are saying. Secondly you state that "wanting" or any other kind of emotion is impossible or at least "hidden"??? There is always a scenario of the unexpected (not necessarily inconceivable) is impossible?
 

Me Myself

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So God knew then before hand that one of His creations was going to attempt to "replace" Him first off you are saying. Secondly you state that "wanting" or any other kind of emotion is impossible or at least "hidden"??? There is always a scenario of the unexpected (not necessarily inconceivable) is impossible?

Do you think God is not omniscient? Or are you aware he knows everything that will happen beforehand?
 

horizon_mj1

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Again, stop anthropomorphising and comparing a deity to human beings. This is a flawed perception and, if God exists, you cannot honestly hope to understand it by comparing it to human beings.
NO Crap!! But one thing I apparently must remind you; this perception was not seed of my soul. There is no Deity that is comparable to Humans if looking for simplicity, but a relevance to understanding must start somewhere. God is far beyond any conception or perception that has been documented or even imagined, but I do not just believe, but know that every answer that has ever been asked has a definitive answer (no matte who likes the answer or not;))


If God exists I am as certain as can be without knowing for a fact that the bible is irrelevant to understanding Him, especially in an outdated or Christian view. Perhaps looking at Jewish views from a symbolic / metaphorical perspective may yield a basic understanding, but not spouting out Christian scriptures.
I in a way agree for the basic fact that Christ did not teach for Himself to be followed, but for His Father (Our Father) to be followed. I do not yet comprehend the relevance of Christianity for most Christians discount what Christ Himself said. (To me it is like knowing who will the one in charge and trying to kiss a** before hand to assure you are given credence).
 

horizon_mj1

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To me it looks you are missing up the most basic and obvious differences.

Do you think any parent would have a normal parenting experience if s/he knew all that his daughter/son would do in advance? Cause God knows. Not only knows, but fully understood it on every level. Before any of us appeared here.

Do you understand that part?
Of course. Let me put this into maybe a better view.
If "you" where given the Knowledge (as the child) that you were going to do something wrong and did nothing to change it, this is OK? Did anyone ever think maybe when it comes to "bad" or "evil" things that if we could change them that it may be appreciated?
 

horizon_mj1

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Do you think God is not omniscient? Or are you aware he knows everything that will happen beforehand?
Both are the same are they not? Knowing ones feelings and character does not always give the same outcome though. I believe that the most probable action from the said person `is what is taken into consideration when "viewing" the outcome, but the outcome is not always what was "factored". Knowing what the outcome may be in any circumstance is a product of statistical analysis. When the least possible outcome is the fruition, even the Mathematician could be perplexed;)
 
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Prophet

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Think of the people who you know are bound by their nature to take offense and/or punish. These people are likely to be the most abhorrent people you know.

Yet, when some people attribute this to God, they call it perfection. This is irrational.
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
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Think of the people who you know are bound by their nature to take offense and/or punish. These people are likely to be the most abhorrent people you know.

Yet, when some people attribute this to God, they call it perfection. This is irrational.

I challange you to give one single person in all history who was not bound to their nature, taking offense or otherwise. You cannot hold that against someone, especially if you believe in a deity.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
If God exists I am as certain as can be without knowing for a fact that the bible is irrelevant to understanding Him, especially in an outdated or Christian view. Perhaps looking at Jewish views from a symbolic / metaphorical perspective may yeild a basic understanding, but not spouting out Christian scriptures.


all those scriptures i posted come from the Hebrew scriptures.
 
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