I am new to Satanism, help?

Hello all, I am new to this website so any welcomes would be appreciated!

This might be a long read.... before we start my basic details are as follows, Male, 19, United Kingdom.

Really would like some help of you guys to tell me what type of Satanist I am? I believe it's between Theistic and Atheistic? Maybe more? I don't know? Anyway, only a few months ago I started getting interested in Religion/Mythology and the wider world.

I was just about to go down the line of becoming a normal christian (out of curiosity to see if religion was for me) but something extraordinary happened which hopefully will change me forever.

This really may seem weird or that you might think I am a liar, but Satan came to me in my dream and asked me to worship him instead? Weird? Coincidence? So I started to look into Satanism, and it was not what I expected (for the better).

Anyway so yes what type of Satanist would I be? I believe Satan himself is an actual entity and not just a symbol. I believe he and the christian God both exist, but I have chosen to worship Satan/ Satan chose me?

Also to finish, few random maybe simple questions about Satan / Religion

Is Satan and Lucifer the same person?

Are the 'four princes of hell' all the same entity (Satan)?

Is this true? Or can it be said? The christian God made earth and Satan..... and now present day, long time later, Satan rules the earth and all life? Because I asked myself the question of if I believe in both then who rules?

What are the next steps for me?

Any replies to anything I said will really be appreciated, even if some of them don't make sense (apologies).

Thanks

Satan is not lucifer. You sound like a theistic satanist. When jason comes around he can help you better then i.

I assume Jason is someone who knows a lot more on this subject? I thought I would probably be 'Theistic' as I believe him as an entity but really wanted to make sure. Ok who is Lucifer?

Lucifer is a title meaning light bearer. Also know as the morning star. Light being truth and knowledge. Checl out the threads in that dir for more info.

What are your.views on magic. Spell.and ritual?
Perhaps we could move to general lhp dir so i dont get yelled at?

I guess a better question would be: What does Satan mean to you in your life?

Satan generally has a very convoluted meaning in a Christian sense... He apparently is responsible for all the things that go wrong with those people, but historically Satan was merely a god in other cultures that was given a cameo in the bible. My understanding of cosmological issues isn't tainted by scriptural notions mostly due to the fact that if a certain source of information is probably wrong on many things it probably is wrong on many others. To accept the bible requires a leap of intellect not a leap of faith.

Dreams are the mechanism which the forces that be can communicate with people that are possibly resisting other mechanisms. How receptive you are to the spiritual universe depends largely on the biases and presuppositions you have learned in your life. Personally, I had a similar experience at one point and that was very instrumental in choosing my path. But, don't be afraid to question these things -- this act alone is most Satanic of principles. Satanists don't worship as slaves they praise through doing. This energy of rebellion, critical thought, and self-mastery is the crux of what really is Satanism not some silly boogeyman character meant to scare adults into complying with the rantings of mad men and their invisible god.

Satan is the accuser, the questioner, the thinker, and the power which enables anyone to use those faculties not some strange red character with hooves. It is something immediate, apparent, and right in front of anyone who cares to look.

Banwell11 said:

Hello all, I am new to this website so any welcomes would be appreciated!

This might be a long read.... before we start my basic details are as follows, Male, 19, United Kingdom.

Really would like some help of you guys to tell me what type of Satanist I am? I believe it's between Theistic and Atheistic? Maybe more? I don't know? Anyway, only a few months ago I started getting interested in Religion/Mythology and the wider world.

I was just about to go down the line of becoming a normal christian (out of curiosity to see if religion was for me) but something extraordinary happened which hopefully will change me forever.

This really may seem weird or that you might think I am a liar, but Satan came to me in my dream and asked me to worship him instead? Weird? Coincidence? So I started to look into Satanism, and it was not what I expected (for the better).

Anyway so yes what type of Satanist would I be? I believe Satan himself is an actual entity and not just a symbol. I believe he and the christian God both exist, but I have chosen to worship Satan/ Satan chose me?

Also to finish, few random maybe simple questions about Satan / Religion

Is Satan and Lucifer the same person?

Are the 'four princes of hell' all the same entity (Satan)?

Is this true? Or can it be said? The christian God made earth and Satan..... and now present day, long time later, Satan rules the earth and all life? Because I asked myself the question of if I believe in both then who rules?

What are the next steps for me?

Any replies to anything I said will really be appreciated, even if some of them don't make sense (apologies).

Thanks

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You will soon discover both here and on other sites that Satanism comes in many shapes and forms. It will be up to you to decide which form (if any) is right for you.
From the way you describe your experience it seems as if you are being drawn to Theistic Satanism, but even within this branch there are differences in emphasis.
There are some who see Satan and Lucifer as two distinct and totally separate entities and some who call themselves Luciferians rather than Satanists and have quite a distinct pattern of belief and practice. There are others (like myself) who see them as two aspects of the same entity.

You mention in your post that you only recently became interested in "religion, mythology and the wider world." I would respectfully suggest you might be wise to explore other religions and spiritual paths more deeply before settling on one specific path.

To me the keys of Satanism are self empowerment and self responsibility. But the energy of Satan can be very overpowering if you are not ready for it.
Finally I very much agree with what Mindmaster says below.

Mindmaster said:

I guess a better question would be is: What does Satan mean to you in your life?

Satan generally has a very convoluted meaning in a Christian sense... He apparently is responsible for all the things that go wrong with those people, but historically Satan was merely a god in other cultures that was given a cameo in the bible. My understanding of cosmological issues isn't tainted by scriptural notions mostly due to the fact that if a certain source of information is probably wrong on many things it probably is wrong on many others. To accept the bible requires a leap of intellect not a leap of faith.

Dreams are the mechanism which the forces that be can communicate with people that are possibly resisting other mechanisms. How receptive you are to the spiritual universe depends largely on the biases and presuppositions you have learned in your life. Personally, I had a similar experience at one point and that was very instrumental in choosing my path. But, don't be afraid to question these things -- this act alone is most Satanic of principles. Satanists don't worship as slaves they praise through doing. This energy of rebellion, critical thought, and self-mastery is the crux of what really is Satanism not some silly boogeyman character meant to scare adults into complying with the rantings of mad men and their invisible god.

Satan is the accuser, the questioner, the thinker, and the power which enables anyone to use those faculties not some strange red character with hooves. It is something immediate, apparent, and right in front of anyone who cares to look.

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Thanks for the replies guys

So technically when I decide to settle into all this, I would be a Theistic Satanist, but could still have my own beliefs? That's what Satanism sounds like to me, different to everybody?

When I say recently, I mean months have passed. I only said recent because most people on this website have probably studied what I mentioned for years.

I think I am gonna give it a few more weeks and readings before I finally decide if Theistic Satanism is for me, but I really feel like it is already.

So yeah, I would be a Theistic Satanist, with my own personal beliefs?
And what about the 'four princes of hell' that I came across?

This took me over an hour to draft :areyoucra I also hit the character limit

Banwell11 said:

I assume Jason is someone who knows a lot more on this subject? I thought I would probably be 'Theistic' as I believe him as an entity but really wanted to make sure. Ok who is Lucifer?

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I'm one of the common go-to persons for Theistic Satanism as I'm the most regularly active Theistic Satanist on the site since I have joined.

Satan can be a real entity, but I think you should ask what that means, and by that I mean you need to, if the question of exactly "what" Satan is to you, what that basic metaphysical outlook to you (polytheism, pantheism, ect ect). You don't have to do that per se though, you could just work with what Satan represents and how it impacts you, which is probably more applicable.

Lucifer is an old word meaning "light bearer" or "morning star". It can be synonymous with either the planet Venus when it raises in the morning, or some Promethean and/or enlightened archetype. Some say it's an old Roman god of air, but I have yet to actually run across any non-Satanic source claim that.

Banwell11 said:

Really would like some help of you guys to tell me what type of Satanist I am? I believe it's between Theistic and Atheistic? Maybe more? I don't know?

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An Agnostic Theist probably, unless you feel "beyond" as in either "I don't care/it's not important" or "it's neither", in which it would be transtheism.

Banwell11 said:

This really may seem weird or that you might think I am a liar, but Satan came to me in my dream and asked me to worship him instead? Weird? Coincidence? So I started to look into Satanism, and it was not what I expected (for the better).

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I hardly see why one would lie about a dream. If he asked for worship, your probably a Theistic Satanist, now what kind of "theism" isn't really as important as your philosophy/outlook and how you practice, in my opinion. A belief is subjective, can't be proven and is personal. How you live your life and how you practice your religion is a much more applicable and pragmatic thing.

Banwell11 said:

Anyway so yes what type of Satanist would I be? I believe Satan himself is an actual entity and not just a symbol. I believe he and the christian God both exist, but I have chosen to worship Satan/ Satan chose me?

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That depends.

If you believe in many different gods as their own separate entities, you would be a polytheist, and specifically a Henotheist. From my experience Henotheism is the most popular form of Theistic Satanism.

This might be to consider if you believe in many gods and not just Satan and the Christian god (Yahweh):

"Hard" polytheism is the belief that gods are distinct, separate, real divine beings not psychological archetypes or personifications of natural forces. Hard polytheists reject the idea that "all gods are one god." "Hard" polytheists do not necessarily consider the gods of all cultures as being equally real, a theological position formally known as integrational polytheism or omnitheism.


This is contrasted with "Soft" polytheism, which holds that gods may be aspects of only one god, psychological archetypes or personifications of natural forces.

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source:Polytheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


If you believe that all gods are different "faces" or manifestations of the same one, single God/Divine, that can be one type of pantheism, and that Satan would just be the form or face you best work with and feel a calling to worship.

If you think that God is everything/The Universe, such as is with the other form of theistic pantheism, then Satan might be a personification of the opposition, conflict, or finite aspect of reality.

If you only believe in Satan and the Christian god, a few variants might be to see Satan as the creator and good or neutral and Yahweh (Christian god) as evil, basically swapping the roles, another might be to see Yahweh as the creator AND evil, and Satan as good, wanting to win against Yahweh and free mankind. Finally you might think that to follow Satan is to go to Hell, but that there is no suffering in Hell, but that you will get to rule there... perhaps a place somewhat like earth. However I strongly believe and suggest against such a narrow idea of believing in Yahweh and Satan as the only two gods in existence.

Banwell11 said:

Also to finish, few random maybe simple questions about Satan / Religion

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Banwell11 said:

Is Satan and Lucifer the same person?

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Historically, no. It's a relatively recent idea (about 400 years old), most Lucifierians for example say Lucifer isn't Satan. Most Satanists I have met either say they are not at all the same thing, or that Lucifer is a "convenient" name for Satan's lighter aspects. From a more symbolic standpoint Lucifer overlays into Satan, but Satan no-so-much into Lucifer. But speaking of the vast majority of Theistic Satanism literature I have come across and from a historical standpoint.

I think it was in the 5th century that a loose association with the Lucifer in Isiah and Satan was made... and a very loose one at that. It wasn't actually until John Milton's Paradise Lost (published in 1667) popularized the idea of Lucifer = Satan that it was taken as canon for most Christian branches.

Banwell11 said:

Are the 'four princes of hell' all the same entity (Satan)?

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Not historically nor in my opinion, but they might be to some people on a subjective symbolic level.

Banwell11 said:

Is this true? Or can it be said? The christian God made earth and Satan..

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Not in my opinion nor that of the vast majority of Satanists. If I could prove the Christian god didn't create the Universe, I can't. I can only logically prove that neither "The Fall" happened (if physical death wasn't present before it) by referring to some physics ideas about physical constants, and that if the Christian cosmology is true that Yahweh (the name of the Christian god) is evil with logical proofs.

Banwell11 said:

.. and now present day, long time later, Satan rules the earth and all life?

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I believe that Satan is a few different things, one of them a word for the creator/creating agent of reality. So, no. In my opinion Satan has always "ruled" everything, because he IS EVERYTHING. However, if your looking to what is "the truth", we can't provide those answers because no religion really has it, just "best guesses" as I like to say. These beliefs and hypotheses are untestable, so we can't know, we can only believe what makes the most sense to us on an intuitive, logical, and rational level.

Banwell11 said:

Because I asked myself the question of if I believe in both then who rules?

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I don't understand the question, but perhaps an answer might be that you can believe what ever you want, but I wouldn't let another religion dictate your beliefs.

Banwell11 said:

What are the next steps for me?

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A lot of research:

Theistic Satanism: Diane Vera on today's new kinds of Satanists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_satanism
SpiritualSatanist.com - Venus Satanas - Homepage
https://xeper.org/

If you choose the first link I suggest to check out the variates article first and check out any of her links you might like. She also has an entire section of her site dedicated to her organization "Church of Azazel" that exists in New York City. Otherwise her site has a lot of articles, some stuff associated with Black Cabal, and a counter evangelism section (for combating right-wing politics and the religious influences that come from that demograph).

The second link is wikipedia ^.^

The third is good for beginners, especially those who might see Satan as a force or a more symbol kind of thing but still real. Though it's kind of useless after a certain point, but does have some good info regardless.

The last link goes to the Temple of Set's official website. Not Satanism, but very close to some forms and has many overlaps. Originally the Temple of Set (ToS) started with Michal Aquino who broke off the Church of Satan (CoS) in 1975 when the CoS officially became atheistic (the CoS is anti-theism today). Aquino wrote Coming Forth by Night which supposedly brought in the Aeon of Set. For the most part the ToS is theistic but not as literally as one might think. Even if you are not a Setian there are still things one can take from their systems and incorporate into their own.

You might also look into Alister Crowley's ideas, he wasn't a Satanist but basically all occultism today can draw their line of influences back to him:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelema

I should note that those links are to get you started and give you an idea of what is sane. There are a number of groups out there that are extremists or exploit Satanism for their own goals (Order of Nine Angles, Joy of Satan, ect ect) and I would avoid their literature as for what you take influences from.

Banwell11 said:

Thanks for the replies guys

So technically when I decide to settle into all this, I would be a Theistic Satanist, but could still have my own beliefs? That's what Satanism sounds like to me, different to everybody?

When I say recently, I mean months have passed. I only said recent because most people on this website have probably studied what I mentioned for years.

I think I am gonna give it a few more weeks and readings before I finally decide if Theistic Satanism is for me, but I really feel like it is already.

So yeah, I would be a Theistic Satanist, with my own personal beliefs?
And what about the 'four princes of hell' that I came across?

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I accidentally edited out my answer to this post when fixing my links (a couple didn't work with https apparently), but I think it was all covered anyway in my previous post. If for some reason there is still anything you feel is still unanswered I can re-phrase it. If you have any new questions I will answer to the best of my knowledge. I may not respond right away as I'm on hiatus though (helping new Satanists/people considering Satanism has always been an exception of mine).

Totally blown away that you took that amount of time out for me!

Anyway, the links, I already have been on the first two previously and have found useful so the other ones probably will too. I think I need to think a bit more of what Satan is, I still firmly believe he and 'Yahweh' exist, but am pondering towards Satan being the ultimate ruler at present (make sense?)

But as I am learning more and more every day about religion, the more I learn, the more questions I have, is this normal? Example, like I just said above I believe in Satan and Yahweh, but have no idea how Satan is now so dominant as I believe he was created by Yahweh. Sometimes I even confuse myself.

I think I would class myself as a Theistic Satanist, being a specific, Henotheist. I am kind of regretting as many questions above with the intent of yes or no answers, like you said if I came here for the truth then I am probably in the wrong place.

I don't really know how to quote like a forum professional yet, but "Finally you might think that to follow Satan is to go to Hell, but that there is no suffering in Hell, but that you will get to rule there... perhaps a place somewhat like earth."
Yes, that it exactly what I think

I am gonna stand by Lucifer and Satan being the same entity, even though it seems overlooked. Anyway, last thing, aswell as the links you gave me, are there any actual books you can recommended?

Thanks again Jason

Banwell11 said:

I am gonna stand by Lucifer and Satan being the same entity, even though it seems overlooked. Anyway, last thing, aswell as the links you gave me, are there any actual books you can recommended?

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In common speaking terms Satan=Lucifer just historically that isn't the case. Personally, I'd read _The Satanic Bible_ by Anton LaVey (though you can skip all his other books) while it has its flaws it is one of the classic books which lend an understanding in reading all of the other crap I am about to type about.

_Uncle Setnakt's Essential Guide to the Left Hand Path_ by Don Webb is great too sort of being a framework of left hand path thinking done in sort of a student-teacher format and sort of addresses the hermetic and mystical implications as well though.

_The Complete Book of Demonolatry_ by S. Connelly is a great book on the practice of theistic Satanism although it is clearly designed to be used very eclectically and some Demonolators do not include Satan per se in their pantheons it still is good to understand how theistic ritual practices work (really the only good thing in print on this).

These three at least will let you understand the philosophy, mystical implications, and practices of modern Satanism (in an atheistic and theistic sense) and see what you fancy. After this, I could probably suggest more in depth material if you need it but I'd start with these three. I don't back any of the groups or organizations that publish these books, but I think they all present Satanism in a very balanced way and are highly useful to nearly anyone.

Banwell11 said:

Really would like some help of you guys to tell me what type of Satanist I am? I believe it's between Theistic and Atheistic? Maybe more? I don't know?

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These labels don't really matter, but I guess its all a matter of how convinced you are.

I always like to think, I'm a little bit of both.

Banwell11 said:

This really may seem weird or that you might think I am a liar, but Satan came to me in my dream and asked me to worship him instead? Weird? Coincidence? So I started to look into Satanism, and it was not what I expected (for the better).

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I wouldn't call you a liar, I would just suggest that you've always kind of had the urge or desire to know.

Banwell11 said:

Anyway so yes what type of Satanist would I be? I believe Satan himself is an actual entity and not just a symbol. I believe he and the christian God both exist, but I have chosen to worship Satan/ Satan chose me?

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There aren't really types of Satanism, there is just what is perceived to be "specializations" or are specified to a certain paradigm or emotional willingness.

The rest about the Christian God and such, I wouldn't fall too much into that trap. The All Father is who you must keep an eye on

Banwell11 said:

Is Satan and Lucifer the same person?

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In space and time, they can occupy the same molecule. Just like darkness consists of and technically is "light".

They differ in that they can also contend with each other as well.

Banwell11 said:

Are the 'four princes of hell' all the same entity (Satan)?

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Its more like how a God can also share powers with another God, who's primary power would be specified to their individual function.

Banwell11 said:

Is this true? Or can it be said? The christian God made earth and Satan..... and now present day, long time later, Satan rules the earth and all life? Because I asked myself the question of if I believe in both then who rules?

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Its not about who rules, but who is going to rule. The events that have taken place and will continue to take place is similar to the successors of a dynasty, and the predecessor to each emperor.

Banwell11 said:

What are the next steps for me?

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Depends, can you see where you are going?

Satanism is a religious philosophy of life which represents rational Self-interest and free thinking. Some Satanists view Satan or the Lord of Darkness as a literal being and others view him as just a metaphor. It is a personal choice. Satanism is a religion of perfect freedom of mind, will, body, and self on an individual level. The Satanist is free to persue his own desires without guilt, and is the archetict of his own self-created belief systems, with Satan as the literal or metaphorical god-head or the supreme manifestation of Life which the Satanist seeks to emulate within his own self and his own life through the exercise of the Black Arts. Satanism requires study and practice, not worship. Ultimately, in Satanism you are become the master of your own life and destiny, you are responsible for your own actions; there is no Heaven of glory bright, and no Hell where sinners roast - you are Become the supreme Being of your own Universe.

Sanctus Satanas.
/Adramelek\
Gnothi seauton!

No offence intended, but as long as you ask... your questions are extremely redundant. Your questions have been asked and answered so many times that I cannot believe that any Satanist that really wants to know, could not have found an approximate answer with Google.

Look at what's been said on this forum before. Look at the intro pages of the Satanic Churches. Read their Bibles. Think for yourself. A good early lesson is that we will not spoon feed you, as we do not care about you per se.

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A good early lesson is that we will not spoon feed you, as we do not care about you per se.

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Selfishness is a part of Satanism, however I selfishly choose to help anyone who asks. I care a bunch, but only for those things for which I feel a need to intervene with. I gave him enough to start with any of those would be enough. The problem is on the Internet you have a lot of douche bags and e-Satanists who really don't represent the slightest notion of Satanism so Google is not your friend here. There are lots of people whom get tons of hits on the web but actually know jack and squat about anything, are druggies, or whatever and really are bad examples. Google rates popularity not utility or usefulness.

After you get done wading through the stoners, drunkards, e-peeners, pedo-bears, cam-whores, forum warriors, youtube channel monkeys, and the like you might actually find one real Satanist in a pile of thousands. There are even people whom call themselves Satanists that are Wiccans and just use the name to sell more books and get more hits. (Venus Satanas, Michael Ford, etc.) That's the problem with just going out on Google -- the information is completely unqualified.

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Google rates popularity not utility or usefulness.

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I shall be trying to get my hands on those books before christmas probably check back once I have finished and ask again for further books! Yes study and practice seems to make much more sense to me than worship although I am not ruling it out.

It was very difficult to find information on Google as there is so much on there and is usually filled with crap (I am a student I would know), also have you realized how hard this website is to find things you want when you first sign up? Besides I thought it was a nice little ice-breaker to the community on these forums.

All coming together nicely now, I know what I need and where I am headed, Thanks for those who replied! (Nicely)

Orias said:

Though it should be mentioned that this forum is actually listed as one of the top sites on google for information about Satanism.

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Now this I did not know, pretty cool!

/Adramelek\

Adramelek said:

Now this I did not know, pretty cool!

/Adramelek\

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If a person is interested enough they will eventually find this site. I'm sure I'm not the only one