Like those who blame Islam itself for the faults of those who happen to be members.
It's something we all do.
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Insulting the prophet
- Thread starter lunakilo
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Like those who blame Islam itself for the faults of those who happen to be members.
It's something we all do.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
As opposed to literally hundreds of examples from all over the world... Nice work.
But, Riverwolf, at the time, it was shown to be the actions of VERY FEW... as opposed to hundreds of thousands... in the here and now.
And yet fanatical Islam is growing each day. My guess is that this will not "go away" until sane Muslims seek to curb the actions of their unhinged brethren. We can't do it, that is for sure. Likewise in a few decades there will be new protests as the wingnuts are emboldened.
Quran:
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So when you recite the Quran, seek refuge with Allah from the accursed Shaitan,
Surely he has no authority over those who believe and rely on their Lord.
His authority is only over those who befriend him and those who associate others with Him.
And when We change (one) communication for (another) communication, and Allah knows best what He reveals, they say: You are only a forger. Nay, most of them do not know.
Say: The Holy spirit has revealed it from your Lord with the truth, that it may establish those who believe and as a guidance and good news for those who submit.
From wiki:So when you recite the Quran, seek refuge with Allah from the accursed Shaitan,
Surely he has no authority over those who believe and rely on their Lord.
His authority is only over those who befriend him and those who associate others with Him.
And when We change (one) communication for (another) communication, and Allah knows best what He reveals, they say: You are only a forger. Nay, most of them do not know.
Say: The Holy spirit has revealed it from your Lord with the truth, that it may establish those who believe and as a guidance and good news for those who submit.
In Islam, the Devil is known as ʾIblīs (Arabic: إبليس‎, plural: ابالسة ʾAbālisa) or Shayṭān (Arabic: شيطان‎, plural: شياطين Shayāṭīn). According to the Quran, God created Iblis out of "smokeless fire or from the pure flame of fire" (along with all of the other jinn) and created man out of clay. The primary characteristic of the Devil, besides hubris, [i]{hubris is becoming unhinged from reality out of pride/arrogance and a thirst for power, as Ymir suggested above--crossfire}[/i] is that he has no power other than the power to cast evil suggestions into the heart of men, women, and jinn, although the Quran does mention appointing jinn to assist those who are far from God in a general context. "We made the Shayatin (devils) ʾAwliyāʾ (protectors and helpers) for those who believe not." (سورة الأعراف al-ʾAʿraf, Chapter #7, Verse #27)
So just where is the inspiration for this violence against innocents coming from?
Then was now, once, and now will be then.
One is one too many.
The hundreds simply have more who agree with them than the few.
IOW, numbers of participants are irrelevant, and the time scale is essentially just yesterday.
It's growing probably because they're sick of being bullied by us.
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nazz
Doubting Thomas
Hundreds of thousands protesting. Not being violent. And as I pointed out earlier hundreds of thousands of Muslims is less than 1/10 of 1%. I think that could be safely be said to be VERY FEW Muslims even out there protesting.
jazzymom
Just Jewish
People keep saying it is just a small amount of Muslims protesting. Even a small amount of people who are intent on causing death and destruction are able to do so.
The issue is the violence that has occurred.
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
Many people have killed of late for freedom. Many have killed for democracy. Are those who believe in freedom and democracy responsible for those who perpetuate violence in their name?
If an Irishman murders for sectarian reasons am I responsible for his behaviour? If he murders for religion is the reposnsibility on Catholics/Protestants/Christians everywhere?
Violence seems ubiquitous these days. My view is that violence is unacceptable - not Islam/Judaism/Christianity/SIkhism or whatever you're having yourself.
nazz
Doubting Thomas
Amen/Amin
nazz
Doubting Thomas
Yes and the violence is wrong, IMO.
But what is also wrong is judging all Muslims as violent because of the actions of a very small minority.
I agree. By doing so, you are falling into the same pattern as the violent ones. It's almost like a communicable disease.
nazz
Doubting Thomas
Yup.
I am serious when I say I know Christians who believe every Muslim man, woman, and child should be slaughtered because all Muslims are inherently violent.
I wonder if they've read Matthew 7?Yup.
I am serious when I say I know Christians who believe every Muslim man, woman, and child should be slaughtered because all Muslims are inherently violent.
nazz
Doubting Thomas
jazzymom
Just Jewish
Yes I agree.
It is wrong when any group blames another group as if they are a monolith and all think the same.
But what I hear is it is just a small group. I agree it is but even a small group can cause extensive damage and death.
I agree that Muslims have a right to be angry and a right to protest, but not to do so violently.
No group has that right.
jazzymom
Just Jewish
I agree.
any group who commits violence is wrong.
But even small groups who commit violent acts in protest should be called out for it.
What I am hearing is on the one hand the violence is wrong but it is just a small group. Unfortunately these small groups have wreaked havoc all over the place.
nazz
Doubting Thomas
I agree.
The reason for emphasizing it is a small group is because of people who want to claim most if not all Muslims are like that.
Imo religion can be an enabler for both good bad or total ignorance of reality but i agree that tarring people with the same brush is wrong.
I'm heavily of Irish descent. Am I guilty by association for such atrocities?
Photonic
Ad astra!
I also am mostly of Irish decent (So much so that I am directly decended from all the Kings of Connacht) and I don't think I should be guilty by simply sharing something uncontrollable.