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DMT the soul molecule

Leonardo

Active Member
The use of ayahuasca by a number of indigenous traditions of South America, which some do include Chirstian imagery, is said to bring one closer to god and/or understanding oneself. Many claim the experience is literally entering an alternative reality. I've never tried ayahuasca, but I am curious. Most explaining their experience do so from a religous experience. My question is does the perspective of religion influence the experience of DMT? If you come from say a perspective of conciousness is a product of computational intelligence does that change what you experience? Where I'm going with this is, if you believe that the brain is creating the alternate reality, a computational reality, then can you control it? Could DMT be a way of creating an emersive virtual reality similar to the movie the "Matrix"? Under what doeses can external influences actually impose suggestable imaginary? Also how are the effects of the brain under pyshcoldelic influence different than dream states or meditation?

Would love to see a brain scan by MRI while someone is under the influence of DMT. I know that some research is exploring LSD in small doeses as threapies but the stigma and legal issues of today appear to be happering a treasure trove technology that could change how we explore the human mind.
 

Shuddhasattva

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Anything imprinted in your mind is going to influence the experience.

But I'm willing to bet that DMT administered to atheists and agnostics would see a lot of new theists.

DMT induces non-dual awareness. One 'enters' an altered reality where 'seeing' or better 'perceiving' is the same as being. Subjects are objects to one another, with a shared subjectivity.

A common experience is to travel down bejeweled tunnels, or tunnels woven of different colors of lights, viewing through each facet/strand realities unfolding simultaneously. One has a sense of timelessness, viewing all events happening at once. This may be of life or cosmogony.


Dream states and meditation can be much like DMT trips.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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Shuddhasattva

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Technically as per the law, it is not illegal to consume DMT. It is illegal to possess, yet it's a chemical that already exists endogenously within the body and is probably responsible for mediating dream states and mystical experiences.
 

Leonardo

Active Member
Technically as per the law, it is not illegal to consume DMT. It is illegal to possess, yet it's a chemical that already exists endogenously within the body and is probably responsible for mediating dream states and mystical experiences.

Its funny how many governments implement laws in the name of protecting the public when in fact it is fear of the unknown that they are repressing. Think about it; When cars became extremely popular before paved roads, stop signs and stop lights the rules of the road where based on driving carriages and horses. Car accidents were numerous and people did die during this phase of American industrilization. Remember people could buy a car without even knowing how to drive, the car salesman would take the new owner to an open field to teach them how to drive!

So did society or governement demand that cars be banned becasue of the risk to life? No, society choose to implement rules for roads, education for the public and licensed drivers so they were safer on the roads!

There are literally tens of thousands of fatalities from car accidents every year and many if not most of those accidents are from poor judgement of the drivers some of whom are teenagers. Its funny how we can tolerate the risk of life for personal transportation and enpower the public with such a previlidge by relying on the publics' own responsibility to handle extremely dangerous situations but to do so for certain substances is unacceptable.

Why not educate the public on how to use certain substances, have them licensed on using such substances and rely on their judgement on how to handle far less dangerous situations than driving a car?....
 
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Leonardo

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Father Heathen

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DMT is naturally produced by the brain. I remember reading that those who claim to have been abducted by aliens were likely tripping on DMT that their own brain over-produced.
 

Father Heathen

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This is a reminder that discussing personal engagement in illegal activities violates Rule 6*.


It's illegal to drink alcohol is some countries and legal to smoke cannabis in others, so who's laws are we going by? What if activities occurred in places where they were legally permissible?
 
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Leonardo

Active Member
DMT is naturally produced by the brain. I remember reading that those who claim to have been abducted by aliens were likely tripping on DMT that their own brain over-produced.

Interesting hypothesis and it would also explain prophetic experiences in other religions like the new testment's revelations, Ezekiel and Moses’ burning bush, also Mohammad’s claims of visions as well.
 
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Leonardo

Active Member
Here's a link that claims one can self induce a DMT trip naturally:

DMT *

Anybody have any experience inducing a natural DMT trip? And if so how do you know it was caused by DMT?
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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It's illegal to drink alcohol is some countries and legal to smoke cannabis in others, so who's laws are we going by?

The forum abides by US law when it comes to this rule, as pointed out in the reddened portion below.

6. Illegal Activities
Encouragement of others to participate in any activity that is illegal under U.S. laws is prohibited. This includes the use of illegal drugs, infringement of intellectual property rights, all violent crimes, terrorism and any/all criminal activities. Mentioning of engagement in any illegal activity, such as the above or others is also prohibited. Religious allowances are not basis for exemption from moderation.

What if activities occurred in places where they were legally permissible?

Here is the relevant excerpt from the rule's text:

Members are only allowed in some cases to mention their engagement in activities that are illegal under U.S. laws if said activities are not illegal in the member's own country/state.
 

LegionOnomaMoi

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Would love to see a brain scan by MRI while someone is under the influence of DMT.

It wouldn't tell you anything. Mostly because MRI scans are used to look at anatomical structures, not functions. They're static. fMRI is used to look at neural functioning. However, when looking at someone's brain activity while they're in the scanner, all you see is light vs. dark spaces that at best will tell you whether or not the person is moving (which can easily ruin the study). Despite the colorful depictions of brains in everything from anti-depressant ads to popular magazines making extravagant claims about what x study/scientist/research team revealed, the actual images tell one nothing. The idea is to set up the study such that you can run a massive number of multidimensional data through some statistical program(including, but not necessarily, one you've written in R or something) and say something about the activity at time t relative to some other time, condition, subject, or control.

You might pick an image to publish, but it's only meaningful for other reasons, if it's meaningful at all.
 

Leonardo

Active Member
It wouldn't tell you anything. Mostly because MRI scans are used to look at anatomical structures, not functions. They're static. fMRI is used to look at neural functioning. However, when looking at someone's brain activity while they're in the scanner, all you see is light vs. dark spaces that at best will tell you whether or not the person is moving (which can easily ruin the study). Despite the colorful depictions of brains in everything from anti-depressant ads to popular magazines making extravagant claims about what x study/scientist/research team revealed, the actual images tell one nothing. The idea is to set up the study such that you can run a massive number of multidimensional data through some statistical program(including, but not necessarily, one you've written in R or something) and say something about the activity at time t relative to some other time, condition, subject, or control.

You might pick an image to publish, but it's only meaningful for other reasons, if it's meaningful at all.


I placed a previous post that did demonstrate an interesting effect of DMT on the Visual cortext. Scans of the brain were taken when the volunteer was asked to imagine an object as a comparison. The DMT state did have activity in the visual cortex as if the volunteer was seeing something but when the volunteer was asked to imagine the object it did not cause the visual cortex to activiate.
 

Leonardo

Active Member
Here's an interesting article about fractal machine elves often seen in DMT trips:

Machine elf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I often wondered how the brain can novelly create 3D images in the mind. Computationally GPUs use polygons as a basic element that builds all other elements. What does the brain use and for that matter all brains use?

If you notice the anatomy of almost any animal's brain, even insects, vision is a hefty piece of hardware. Knowing that vision has to be handled mathematically this makes sense that such brain tissue is focused solely to vision.

The DMT machine elves look surprisingly like fractal images similar to Mandelbrot’s and other fractal images. Interestingly all of nature, visually, can be broken down into fractal geometries. The resolutions of the retina's of many animals are sufficient to resolve such fractal geometry. If the visual cortex can break down the field of view from the retinas into their fractal elements and associate such fractals to experiences of materials and events then the brain could recreate novel 3D images from such fractal geometries, similarly to how GPUs create 3D objects from polygons.
 

horizon_mj1

Well-Known Member
Technically as per the law, it is not illegal to consume DMT. It is illegal to possess, yet it's a chemical that already exists endogenously within the body and is probably responsible for mediating dream states and mystical experiences.

DMT is naturally produced by the brain. I remember reading that those who claim to have been abducted by aliens were likely tripping on DMT that their own brain over-produced.

It's illegal to drink alcohol is some countries and legal to smoke cannabis in others, so who's laws are we going by? What if activities occurred in places where they were legally permissible?
Consuming any illegal substance under USA law can be considered possession. DMT is not only blamed for alien abduction claims, but also to NDEs. Cannabis is illegal in every nation of the world; it is just tolerated by some;)
 
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