why do we continue to protect isreal?

Yerda · Sep 18, 2012

Caladan said:
Britain was intensely involved in the Middle East long before Israel ever became a state. Much of the geographical division and today's ethnic tensions in the Middle East are traced to British and colonial presence in the region.

Britain was involved everywhere for a while. Does that mean America's presence has nowt to do with oil?

Caladan · Sep 18, 2012

Jaiket said:
Britain was involved everywhere for a while. Does that mean America's presence has nowt to do with oil?

When Britan stopped being an empire and a colonial superpower, the US took this role. It also took the role previously taken by the UK in the Middle East. Although countries such as the UK are still evidently involved in the region.

F0uad · Sep 18, 2012

:\ is this a serious question? Did you forgot that more then 30% of the senate in America is Jewish?

Israel can protect itself just count it nukes, America should stop sending aid when its having a hard time.

Shermana · Sep 18, 2012

F0uad said:
:\ is this a serious question? Did you forgot that more then 30% of the senate in America is Jewish?

Israel can protect itself just count it nukes, America should stop sending aid when its having a hard time.

I dream of the day when at least 30% of the Senate is Jewish, that would be great. Unfortunately they are mostly (all save 3) Democrat. (Not like Republican is much better, we have a few independents at least!)

List of Jewish American politicians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are only 13, not 30.

And the ratio for the House of Representatives is much lower.

And do keep in mind that 99% of the Jews in power are Democrats.

F0uad · Sep 18, 2012

Shermana said:
I dream of the day when at least 30% of the Senate is Jewish, that would be great. Unfortunately they are mostly (all save 3) Democrat. (Not like Republican is much better, we have a few independents at least!)

List of Jewish American politicians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are only 13, not 30.

And the ratio for the House of Representatives is much lower.

And do keep in mind that 99% of the Jews in power are Democrats.

I used a wrong source sorry for that. 13% is still a huge number, how is that great for Americans that would mean that America will serve Israel's interests even more.

I was just replying on the why.

Neo-Logic · Sep 19, 2012

Lady B said:
Please someone tell me why USA protects Israel even when they are wrong? When we make so many enemy's in the middle east, They hate us for this! Every Muslim friend I have has asked me " what is your opinion on Israel?" frankly I am sick of giving excuses for my country. Now this new issue with the Israel -American movie maker against Islam is really ticking me off. Yes he has freedom of speech under USA law, but he himself said he made this film for Israel,for his people...Isreal. I would like to send him to Israel and let him stand alone, not under American protection.
Then our president goes and apologizes? Which is admitting responsibility. We are not responsible for this damnit!

My initial suggestion to you is to read up on the topic and form a reasoned opinion of your own..

If America wasn't an ally with Israel, there is a good chance that a bunch of countries around Israel will become smoldering piles of ash. This is because Israel is so close in proximity to its enemies and let's not forget--they also have a bunch of nukes. This means Israel is at all times, extremely vulnerable of losing the 2nd strike ability--meaning if an enemy bombs Israel first, its nukes can be rendered useless.

Without a 2nd strike option, this leaves countries only one choice--to strike first and hard. The fact that America is an ally of Israel means we offer our nuclear shield/ umbrella which deters attacks on Israel, as offenders can be guaranteed they'll be bombed in retaliation, if not by Israel, then by the U.S. This is one of the basic, fundamental tensions keeping that entire region in a quasi-stable condition.

Right now, Israel is armed to the teeth and could easily wipe out most neighboring countries. When I say right now, I mean right now. It would take something like less than 10 minutes for bombs to reach between Israel and its neighboring countries.

Lady B · Sep 19, 2012

Neo-Logic said:
My initial suggestion to you is to read up on the topic and form a reasoned opinion of your own..

If America wasn't an ally with Israel, there is a good chance that a bunch of countries around Israel will become smoldering piles of ash. This is because Israel is so close in proximity to its enemies and let's not forget--they also have a bunch of nukes. This means Israel is at all times, extremely vulnerable of losing the 2nd strike ability--meaning if an enemy bombs Israel first, its nukes can be rendered useless.

Without a 2nd strike option, this leaves countries only one choice--to strike first and hard. The fact that America is an ally of Israel means we offer our nuclear shield/ umbrella which deters attacks on Israel, as offenders can be guaranteed they'll be bombed in retaliation, if not by Israel, then by the U.S. This is one of the basic, fundamental tensions keeping that entire region in a quasi-stable condition.

Right now, Israel is armed to the teeth and could easily wipe out most neighboring countries. When I say right now, I mean right now. It would take something like less than 10 minutes for bombs to reach between Israel and its neighboring countries.

If this is true then why now as we speak is Israel so gung ho to go into Iran and seek out there nuclear weapons facility's and disable all their possible manufacturing sources? Isn't that a little selfish? And why is NATO behind them? Seriously!!

Neo-Logic · Sep 20, 2012

Lady B said:
If this is true then why now as we speak is Israel so gung ho to go into Iran and seek out there nuclear weapons facility's and disable all their possible manufacturing sources? Isn't that a little selfish? And why is NATO behind them? Seriously!!

No one said Israel isn't self-interested. All nations are self-interested. If Mexico was our arch-nemesis, if they were seeking nuclear weapons and if they were led by a 9/11 denier who wants nothing but to see America destroyed, wouldn't we do the same?

Caladan · Sep 20, 2012

Lady B said:
If this is true then why now as we speak is Israel so gung ho to go into Iran and seek out there nuclear weapons facility's and disable all their possible manufacturing sources? Isn't that a little selfish? And why is NATO behind them? Seriously!!

And are you native enough to ignore the sanctions western powers are taking against Iran because of their own interest in the region?
Do you really think members here are going to let you get away with decades of imperialism inspired by your country's self interest and drop it all on a little country located on the other side of the world? Sorry 'Lady B', most members here have more integrity than that.
Israel or no Israel, countries like the US, Russia, France, and the UK have been involved for a very long time in the Middle East, mostly even before modern Israel was established. Start talking about that instead of how you are supposedly manipulated by a small country with a handfull of millions citizens.

Caladan · Sep 20, 2012

Lady B, I see you have completely ignored post #28 which answered all of your questions, Be honest. did you really come here for a serious discussion or to be educated on the subject?

Lady B · Sep 20, 2012

Caladan said:
And are you native enough to ignore the sanctions western powers are taking against Iran because of their own interest in the region?
Do you really think members here are going to let you get away with decades of imperialism inspired by your country's self interest and drop it all on a little country located on the other side of the world? Sorry 'Lady B', most members here have more integrity than that.
Israel or no Israel, countries like the US, Russia, France, and the UK have been involved for a very long time in the Middle East, mostly even before modern Israel was established. Start talking about that instead of how you are supposedly manipulated by a small country with a handfull of millions citizens.

No No, seriously you misunderstand my interests. I am not against Israel, not at all. I am totally seeking answers and opinions on why the Middle East hates Israel and why they hate U.S for protecting Israel even when as "they say" Israel is big wrong.

This Iran thing just popped up and so I was also wondering why If Israel is as the poster said is so well equipped with their own nukes, They go after Iran for trying to manufacture their own. It was off-topic and really I don't have any opinion of my own,other then my biblical standpoint which I have stated. I am seeking yours.

I can surely see how you can come to your conclusions of my intentions, my mistake entirely, But I assure you I am just needing to know why the Middle East hates Israel, what USA interests are and are they self seeking interests only. Is the Middle East right about the USA? Is the Middle East right about Israel and justified in their hatred? I just don't get it, that is all.

:facepalm:

Lady B · Sep 20, 2012

Caladan said:
Lady B, I see you have completely ignored post #28 which answered all of your questions, Be honest. did you really come here for a serious discussion or to be educated on the subject?

Both. Yes actually post 28 was very helpful to me thank you, I am sorry I did miss many posts when the topic went off-course but that was not one. Really I regret making this thread if anyone can find I am bias and ignorant by choice.I came to learn, to understand and to discuss this is all really. I can't even debate it because I don't have knowledge in this. I can only show you from where my questions have come, why I am seeking others opinions.

Caladan · Sep 20, 2012

Lady B said:
Is the Middle East right about the USA? Is the Middle East right about Israel and justified in their hatred? I just don't get it, that is all.

The Middle Eastern nations are eating themselves from the inside out right now, let them figure this one out first. Various ethnic and religious groups in Syria are fighting each other, and the Middle Eastern nations are divided with the Sunni Arab states going against the Syrian regime while Shiite nations such as Iran are strong supporters of the Syrian regime.
Before Israel, Middle Eastern nations need to start learning to live in peace with their citizens and with other Middle Eastern nations. Many Arab states are much more concerned about Iran than about Israel.

Lady B · Sep 20, 2012

Caladan said:
The Middle Eastern nations are eating themselves from the inside out right now, let them figure this one out first. Various ethnic and religious groups in Syria are fighting each other, and the Middle Eastern nations are divided with the Sunni Arab states going against the Syrian regime while Shiite nations such as Iran are strong supporters of the Syrian regime.
Before Israel, Middle Eastern nations need to start learning to live in peace with their citizens and with other Middle Eastern nations. Many Arab states are much more concerned about Iran than about Israel.

I agree. How can this be done? do you see hope in this?

sandandfoam · Sep 20, 2012

I have no special axe to grind with Israel. As with every other country in the world it could do certain things better. Certainly I would like to see the Palestinian state be in better shape than it is now - and as I understand it so would many in Israel.

However, given the history of Israel and the Israeli people, I feel that the state of Israel deserves our support. No more than any other country we should not offer uncritical support. But Israel has a right to exist and the Israeli people have a right to their country.

The Palestinian people also have these rights - but that is a seperate topic.

Poisonshady313 · Sep 20, 2012

F0uad said:
I used a wrong source sorry for that. 13% is still a huge number, how is that great for Americans that would mean that America will serve Israel's interests even more.

I was just replying on the why.

Arabs are approx 14% of the Israeli Knesset. Does that mean Israel is serving Arab interests?

Yerda · Sep 21, 2012

Poisonshady313 said:
Arabs are approx 14% of the Israeli Knesset. Does that mean Israel is serving Arab interests?

That's that theory squelched.

KeeperofSecrets · Sep 28, 2012

Caladan said:
So Israel is responsible for decades of aggressive American foreign policy?
Did Israel put a gun to your head and make you go to Iraq (twice), or Afghanistan? how about your drones in Pakistan or Yemen?
Maybe even as far back as Vietnam?
Start taking responsibility for your own actions. Or at least educate yourself about your nation's policies over the last decades before you excuse your fellow country men and your leadership through the years.
Sounds cowardly and pathetic.
With all it's faults, unlike your country Israel does not deploy troops in far away regions in the world unless they send relief teams to disaster struck regions. They do their wars in their own backyard. Face it, your country has been intervening in every part of the world regardless of Israel, a small country located on the other side of the world.

Sadly I have to agree about my own country. :facepalm:

We are to blame! Maybe we should go help someone who needs and asks for our help. Mexico is needing our military about now. They are being over ran by drug lords and many of their people are victims of these lords. Trading laws being changed and free trade and less dictation would be beneficial. Less dumping grounds of bodies would be nice to hear about and back to tourisim in Mexico would be even better. :yes:

FearGod · Sep 28, 2012

Lady B said:
No No, seriously you misunderstand my interests. I am not against Israel, not at all. I am totally seeking answers and opinions on why the Middle East hates Israel and why they hate U.S for protecting Israel even when as "they say" Israel is big wrong.

This Iran thing just popped up and so I was also wondering why If Israel is as the poster said is so well equipped with their own nukes, They go after Iran for trying to manufacture their own. It was off-topic and really I don't have any opinion of my own,other then my biblical standpoint which I have stated. I am seeking yours.

I can surely see how you can come to your conclusions of my intentions, my mistake entirely, But I assure you I am just needing to know why the Middle East hates Israel, what USA interests are and are they self seeking interests only. Is the Middle East right about the USA? Is the Middle East right about Israel and justified in their hatred? I just don't get it, that is all.

Hi Lady B,

i think what we hate is the oppression.
Only brave men and tender-hearted women can see the truth.

Dr. Norman with his brave speech about the palestinians

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Dr. Norman Finkelstein Silences Varmint Lier Jewish - YouTube

Few minutes,but pains never end

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israel crimes in Palestine... - YouTube

Lady B · Sep 28, 2012

very sad vids, I have seen many videos from both sides, both have devastation, I wonder is there no resolution? cannot both sides come to an agreement and share Isreal or even split it into territories? It is obvious both have real claims, It is just sad that there is no happy end in sight....

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