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waitasec

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Someone will say I am a believer but I don't know how. That is what Matthew 7:23 means. He knows how. But you do not. How is that possible? It does not mean GET AWAY. It means you ARE away. "Draw close to God and God will draw close to you" Then what? Then you are able to do the WILL of God.

not really...as the will of god is after all...ones own will.

that is how i take
"draw close to god and god will draw close to you" sort of like walking closer to ones reflection in the mirror
 
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savagewind

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It's not about works nor is it about what you produce, it's about accepting God's universe as it is and being willing to give yourself over to making it better.

Even good works can be tainted, does a person donate time/money to religious causes because they want something in return? If so, then they're just as selfish as the person who does nothing for others.

Or do you feel that you've already been given your reward just by being born on a beautiful planet and having a chance to wonder and learn and experience your Father's incredible creation and eventually make it back to heaven?

It is OK that you do not believe it is not about what is produced. And it is OK that I do believe it is about what is produced because that is how I understand 1 Corinthians chapter three.
Verse 13...his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work.
 

savagewind

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not really...as the will of god is after all...ones own will.

that is how i take
"draw close to god and god will draw close to you" sort of like walking closer to ones reflection in the mirror


It is the will of many other people to be seeking the will of The Father. Is that OK with you?
So what you mean to say is that is not really how YOU see it. And that is fine! It was before and it still is. :rainbow1:
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
It is the will of many other people to be seeking the will of The Father. Is that OK with you?
of course it's ok...for myself i can't call it the will of "the father"
because that label hasn't been established as a truth...it's just conjecture

So what you mean to say is that is not really how YOU see it. And that is fine! It was before and it still is. :rainbow1:

:D
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
It is OK that you do not believe it is not about what is produced. And it is OK that I do believe it is about what is produced because that is how I understand 1 Corinthians chapter three.
Verse 13...his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work.

What Paul was trying to explain was that prophets are like builders who must build on a good foundation and that foundation is Jesus Christ. Those who attempt to reveal God's will to the rest of us, what they "build" will be put to the test and they will be judged for it but even if the builder's work fails he will still survive.
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
What Paul was trying to explain was that prophets are like builders who must build on a good foundation and that foundation is Jesus Christ. Those who attempt to reveal God's will to the rest of us, what they "build" will be put to the test and they will be judged for it but even if the builder's work fails he will still survive.

No, that is not right. We are not judged by what other people become. We are judged by what we ourselves become. Verse seven says it is GOD who makes it grow. Surely you are not hoping to share God's reward, are you?
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
No, that is not right. We are not judged by what other people become. We are judged by what we ourselves become. Verse seven says it is GOD who makes it grow. Surely you are not hoping to share God's reward, are you?

I didn't say we are judged by what other people become. YOU are judged for what YOU preach. The truth of what you preach will survive. The untruths will not.

Surely I'm not hoping to share God's reward? How can I share something that each of us already have in equal amounts?
 

savagewind

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I didn't say we are judged by what other people become. YOU are judged for what YOU preach. The truth of what you preach will survive. The untruths will not.

Surely I'm not hoping to share God's reward? How can I share something that each of us already have in equal amounts?

OK! We agree. Phew. Expressing a strong reaction of relief is phew. I feel better. Thank you! A frubal LOL
 
Law is Principles which societies live by. Societies are people.

Obey the 65 mph speed limit in spirit , however when you get caught doing 75mph in 65mph tell the judge about your spiritual beliefes.


If someone obeys the 65 mph speed limit in spirit they don't do 75 mph in a 65 mph.
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
There is a difference between obeying the law because you know what the law is and making progress in it (even though you might not know what it is) because you love God in spirit.

Another way to look at it is that a law might possible have been put in place for one circumstance and for a few people. It is not a blanket law for all time and for everyone but that is what is became. How good is that?

Anyway, what the thread is about is adopting what a person thinks god said, but God did not say it. Much tradition (which sometimes morphs into law) is what people think God said. No one else but me thinks it's a problem of monster proportion.
 

F0uad

Well-Known Member
Well jesus(p) says according the bible that the law should never depart until end of times and if you follow the commandments that you love god.
 

jtartar

Well-Known Member
When the meaning established itself, how will the correct meaning be accomplished?

Matthew 7:23

Every translation has Jesus at the end telling the false disciples that they should depart from him. How does that make sense?

This is what I think it means. Am I alone?

He is saying the works you do are apart from him, they are according to lawlessness. Not as in breaking the law. Lawless means to miss the mark.

The difference? It is the custom to believe he comes when it is too late to chose righteousness. That's plain not true. To believe it is lawlessness.

The same problem exists with understanding Matthew 25:31-46
It does not mean to, it means for. For life or for destruction.

savagewind,
I would love to answer your question, but I see no real question here.
here is what Jesus was saying, in a nutshell. He was telling people that they have had much time to learn about God and His son, There are millions of people all over the world that would help you understand. You have God's word, The Bible. If youu come to Jesus at the last minute, at Armageddon when the judgement as to who will enter the New System of things is being carried out, you have come too late, and will receive an adverse judgement.
As a side point; we are very near the time when the Political powers will unite and give their power to the United Nations. The United Nations will attack religions all over the world, the reason being that almost all religions have become the cause of most troubles, they are no longer the solution to our problems. The reason I am mentioning this is because, it may be too late for people to come to Jesus after the beginning of the attack on false religions, which is called Babylon the Great at Rev chapter 17,18.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
savagewind,
I would love to answer your question, but I see no real question here.
here is what Jesus was saying, in a nutshell. He was telling people that they have had much time to learn about God and His son, There are millions of people all over the world that would help you understand. You have God's word, The Bible. If youu come to Jesus at the last minute, at Armageddon when the judgement as to who will enter the New System of things is being carried out, you have come too late, and will receive an adverse judgement.
As a side point; we are very near the time when the Political powers will unite and give their power to the United Nations. The United Nations will attack religions all over the world, the reason being that almost all religions have become the cause of most troubles, they are no longer the solution to our problems. The reason I am mentioning this is because, it may be too late for people to come to Jesus after the beginning of the attack on false religions, which is called Babylon the Great at Rev chapter 17,18.


Thank you. I was one of the seven million. Then I was shown conclusively that they do not have Holy Spirit anymore than anyone else. But they say they do. If they believe they do, but they don't then they are misleading and being misled. That is what the original post question means.

Here it is:

If a soul believes a lie, how is it possible to know the truth? The false belief becomes a stumbling block in the way of finding the Way the Truth and the Life who is the one you say you are following. But you are following men's commands. If the man's commands that you follow interfere with the command from God, will you know it?
 
Another example. I cannot make it about sex and/or poor rich women but I would if I could.

Luke 14:31
suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Will he not first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand? If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace

May I suggest the king with ten thousand pictures Y'ushua A'Mashiyach and the ten thousand pictures his sheep? The King with twenty thousand pictures Man and the twenty thousand pictures the goats.

Is it not in the best interest of the sheep to sue for peace? But what are they doing? They are claiming it is already decided.



First, G-d placed his 'word' (name) here to do what it will do....I heard his word and said who the hell is that..I didn't drop to my knees... I published it online years ago.... So, G-d has scattered all of us for a reason and it isn't about dead people...(Jesus died....hard to lead any animal using a dead man..) Heard a song today about listening to money talk... money talks A LOT.... G-d not so much.... but with one word the depths are awesome...

Jen
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
Foolish man! the seed you yourself sow has no life given to it unless it first dies 1 Corinthians 15:36

I tell you the truth, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds John 12:24

For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living Romans 14:9

That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved Romans 12:9

Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven Matthew 10:32

He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels Revelation 3:5

money talks A LOT.... G-d not so much.... but with one word the depths are awesome...

What about money?
 
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