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Why is Hinduism Hardly discussed in this forum?

MD

qualiaphile
This is something interesting I found online, I can post the whole article if anyone is interested.

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1robin

Christian/Baptist
Hee. If only.
I have personally never seen a more touchy group. I ask about 330 million Gods and the roof flies off.

It took you a long time to succeed that, though; and you keep making Ravi Zacharias into an amazing Hindu scholar; he isn't.
Succeed what? The entire philosophy and theological community dissagrees.

The evidence strongly dissagrees.

If I'd done that, you could have argued against it. I've seen enough people argue against the caste system when it's denied as Hindu.
I do not know enough about most on Hinduism to argue much beyond concepts. You are very touchy. Do you believe Hinduism teaches freewill?

We're not "so hostile and sarcastic"; we just don't like rudeness and facetious insults; show some niceties, you'll get them back. Fact. Think of it like karma
So the very benign and completely reasonable statement that 330 million God's is hard to take seriously is just a bridge to far and warrants rants and raving.

Also, it takes a fair amount of knowledge to 'seriously debate' people; since you asked about the number of gods and of caste, I doubt you truly have much to what is actually Hinduism from credible sources. It'd be in your best interest to learn about what the religions of Hinduism teach first before trying to blindly debate it.
You have no idea what I am capable of.

And you got an answer; so where's the problem? ;)
Quote the statement where I said there was a problem. Let's try this out. What is your commentary on this statement?:
The Christian should also understand the attraction of pantheism, the Hindu view of seeing the divine in everything. It superficially appears more compatible with scientific theorizing because it presents no definitive theory of origins. Life is cyclical, without a first cause. Pantheism also gives one a moral reasoning, through karmic fatalism, that one is trapped in the cycle until one escapes, without the need to invoke God. But in the final analysis, it is without answers when one needs to talk about the deepest struggles of the soul. Hindu scholars even admit this in their creation of a path of bhakti (love, devotion) to satisfy the inescapable human hunger for worship.
From Hooligan to Accountant: How Does Christianity Relate to Hinduism? By Ravi Zacharias
I am still just getting used to you guys and am not actually debateing, I just was curious what you think about those ideas.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
This is something interesting I found online, I can post the whole article if anyone is interested.

reverts2.jpg
What does this mean? If Satanism has more left handed people that live above 30,000 feet than any other religion is it therefore true. Christianity is number one by far in totals even though we do not enforce religion by culture or force. We do not count a new born as a Christian and our birth rates are 1/8 the rates in Islam and lower than India. We are I believe the fastest growing as well. I do not value statistics as they do not prove the truth of something and the use of arbitrary statistics are pointless.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
Any religion that embraces 330 million Gods is kind of hard to quantify or take seriously.
Seriously though I do not understand how any religion that allows for 330 million God's could be taken seriously but I am quite sure it is taken as such by many and meant no insult.

The apology came too late.

The claim that 330 million deities is a little hard to take seriously is a very reasonable stance.

I reitterate that 330 million God's may in fact be a false number but there is more than enough information to justify someone claiming that, even if incorrect.

I have personally never seen a more touchy group. I ask about 330 million Gods and the roof flies off.

Correction: "I mention 330 million Gods repeatedly and the roof flies off."
 

MD

qualiaphile
What does this mean? If Satanism has more left handed people that live above 30,000 feet than any other religion is it therefore true. Christianity is number one by far in totals even though we do not enforce religion by culture or force. We do not count a new born as a Christian and our birth rates are 1/8 the rates in Islam and lower than India. We are I believe the fastest growing as well. I do not value statistics as they do not prove the truth of something and the use of arbitrary statistics are pointless.

No need to tell me anything about Christianity, I'm just posting an interesting graph which shows that retention rates among families is highest for hinduism. I don't care if Christianity is growing or shrinking.

If you really want to brawl about how great your religion is then I would suggest going up against the growing population of strong atheists, who are doing more damage to Christianity than Islam/Hinduism/Satanism/wtv could ever dream of.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Something fascinating about statistics ... when they're posted to support your case, they're valid, but when they don't support your case they're irrelevant.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
Something fascinating about statistics ... when they're posted to support your case, they're valid, but when they don't support your case they're irrelevant.

It's the same with scriptural passages. Remember what William Shakespeare said, "Even the devil can quote scripture to his purpose".
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Btw you keep comparing Hinduism to Christianity and Islam and claim Hinduism is much united? Ahem, was it not Christianity or Islam that eventually conquered India and occupied it for several centuries?

Ahem, isn't it Christianity and Islam which have spread as world religions in every part of the world and were able to unite whole empires including the Islamic empire and Christian empire, and ushered in an age of science and technology.

I am the one here who is truly trying to unify Hinduism. It is not I who am creating divisions for I am arguing for reform and organizing the religion with a common set of doctrines so that future Hindus have a single comprehensive religion and can work together as one people, it is other Hindus insisting on remaining fragmented and keeping dead traditions like caste system, widow burning and superstitious practices. Fine, then remain fragmented - if Hindus did not learn their lessons when foreign invaders invaded their civilization left right and center because of how fragmented and divided they were, then they maybe delivered the final lesson by the great red Dragon fairly soon.

I am taking Hinduism from Indian-Hindus. It is no longer their property.

You are doing a laudable thing to unite it; Hinduism needs reformation, in my opinion.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
You are doing a laudable thing to unite it; Hinduism needs reformation, in my opinion.

One person on one forum with maybe 20 Hindus, and you think he's going to unify it?
Wow. Just wow.

So far we've only heard of the problems, and no solutions. I'm waiting anxiously for those to appear soon. :rolleyes:
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
This is something interesting I found online, I can post the whole article if anyone is interested.

reverts2.jpg

I think it is fallacious; the number of the persons in a faith/religion should be divided by the number of sects in it to get some accurate results.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
One person on one forum with maybe 20 Hindus, and you think he's going to unify it?
Wow. Just wow.

So far we've only heard of the problems, and no solutions. I'm waiting anxiously for those to appear soon. :rolleyes:

Someone has to start the task; so he has started it with a good intention, I think.

Why don't other Hindus join his endeavour?
 

Polarbear

Active Member
This is something interesting I found online, I can post the whole article if anyone is interested.

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That looks interesting, but I am not sure if posting the whole article would violate copyright, if it won't please go ahead and post it, but otherwise just give us a link.
 

Polarbear

Active Member
Maybe the graph would be more useful if we discussed why Hinduism has such high retention rates? or even more interestingly, why that of atheists are so low? Also does anyone have any international data for comparison?
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Because approximately 899 999 980 ( 900 million - 20) Hindus won't hear about it, unless he has some incredibly profound connections with the media in India. :)

What about the Hindus in this forum? Why don't they support him? It is a good cause, in my opinion.
 

Shuddhasattva

Well-Known Member
What about the Hindus in this forum? Why don't they support him? It is a good cause, in my opinion.

Uniting Hinduism is something most of us are engaged in by being here - amongst other activities we may be involved with.

But there is no need to conform its doctrines to one particular view. We have many different texts, and many different views, and that is the way it should be to benefit many different people.

Why should we support senseless schismatics?
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
What about the Hindus in this forum? Why don't they support him? It is a good cause, in my opinion.

If you go back and read through the many threads here, you might see. In a nutshell, many here disagree, some only disagree in part, others don't care, yet others would agree with him almost entirely. I withdrew myself from the debate a long time ago because I have better things to do ... usually.

But this particular thread is supposedly about why Hinduism isn't discussed much here on these forums, which of course it is. The original poster who postulated this question never returned, sadly.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
Maybe the graph would be more useful if we discussed why Hinduism has such high retention rates?

Maybe because Hinduism is so closely related to Indian ethnicity? Even non-practicing Indian Hindus might self-identify in a survey as Hindu because that's what they grew up with. I don't know, it's just a guess.
 

Surya Deva

Well-Known Member
Thank you for the vote of confidence paarsurrey.

My answer is the reason why the 20 or so Hindus do not all agree with me is because they are attached to their Puranic Hinduism. They are too attached to traditions, idol worship of gods and goddesses, mythology that they ignore all attempts at reformation and criticisms of these practices. This is why the caste system, despite being criticized by several prominent Hindu thinkers and non-Hindu thinkers, is still being stubbornly practiced throughout rural India and still exists in some form or another amongst urban Hindus too.

As sad and unfortunate as the situation is, Hindus want to remain fragmented and backwards. They will still bathe in toxic waters of the Ganga thinking it to be holy. They will insist Lord Rama lived millions of years ago. They will still worship stones, trees, rocks, animals, monkeys, rats. Swami Vivekananda, a prominent Hindu thinker and reformer widely respected in the West and intellectuals, called this kind of Hinduism kindergarten Hinduism. He saw that the majority of Hindus never actually grow up to the real philosophical Hinduism of Vedanta.

Hindus are too stubborn, even when shown clear proof that their views are wrong, they will not revise their ideas. A Hindu posted on here who has a Phd in Ganga and Public health, who knows in minute detail the entire composition of the Ganga waters and the many streams of of disease producing bacteria and viruses, still regards the water as holy and bathes and drinks from it :facepalm:

Hindus are a hopeless cause I am afraid.
 
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