benjosh said:
Joeboonda
You said.
You certainly used a lot of scriptures to prove your point. But, I think you have only proved something else.
You, and many other CHristians have the standard claim, "the Jesus of the Book of Mormon is not the same Jesus of the Bible, but you never go to the Book of Mormon and see what that Jesus says.
Do you think it will be too ridiculous to even look at.
Why don't you post what Jesus said on this lost sheep subject from the Book of Mormon. (If you need these portions I can post them for you to copy and paste into your explanation.)
You are confusing the entrance of the dispensation of grace to the Gentiles with the dispensation in which the tribes of Israel will be gathered according to the prophets. I noticed your absence of the OT prophets. Are you anti-Semetic?
Sincerely, BenJosh
Hi, I am not anti-Semetic, I love the Jewish people, my brother is married to one, and my sister to an Arab, so there's that. Why don't I use the BOM? I do not believe it, I do not believe it is from God, and here is some stuff of why:
Testing The Book And The Prophet
1 Thessalonians 5:21 says, "Prove all things; hold fast to that which is good". When we attempt to witness to Mormons, we have to realize that this is not like witnessing to other non-believers. Most people go to a Mormon and want to immediately tell them about Jesus Christ or the Bible. However the Mormon says he already has Jesus and he not only has the Bible, but he has three other books that are scripture. (
Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price) In fact, he will say he has more information or books than do the Christians. So in most cases, we have to take a different approach. We have learned over the years we must first call into question the creditability of the Book of Mormon and apply the test of a prophet to Joseph Smith.
In the introductory page of the Book of Mormon the first paragraph says, "The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible. It is a record of God's dealings with the ancient inhabitants of the America's and contains, as does the Bible, the fullness of the everlasting gospel." When asking the Mormon what the words "fullness" and "everlasting" mean, they usually respond that fullness means complete and everlasting means forever. They will usually say this means the Book of Mormon is the complete gospel forever and ever. However, they will sometimes respond they have other books in addition to the Book of Mormon. Remind them, that may be true, but Joseph Smith said the Book of Mormon was the fullness of the everlasting gospel. And if that's true, then why was it necessary for him to write these other "scriptures," namely the Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price, if the Book of Mormon was the complete gospel. We should be able to find all the Mormon doctrine in it. Pick any Mormon doctrine that is not a Christian belief and ask the Mormon to find it for you in the Book of Mormon. Things like becoming a god, or God was once a man on another planet and was promoted to become the god of this earth, or God has a body of flesh and bones and is not a spirit, or Jesus is the brother of Lucifer, or baptism of the dead or temple celestial marriage for eternity, etc. They will attempt to comply with your request so they can get credit for bringing you into Mormonism. There are very few Mormon teachings in the Book of Mormon. In most cases they don't know this, so we then share what the Book of Mormon does say. It often will agree with the Bible, primarily because Smith copied a lot of it from the Bible. Many times it will disagree with what Mormonism teaches and gives us an opportunity to witness to them.
The second thing is to use the Book of Mormon as a witnessing tool by comparing the 1830 Book of Mormon with the current one. Mormons will say there have never been any changes made to the book except for punctuation and spelling errors that have been corrected. Most of them do not know that there have been almost 4,000 changes made in it. Many of these changes are doctrinal and most Mormons are not aware of it. Yet when we read in the 6th paragraph of the introductory page of the current edition it says, "Concerning this record the Prophet Joseph Smith said, "I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than any other book." Some of the changes that come to mind are found in 1 Nephi 11:18-32. In each of these cases the title of the Lord has been changed from God to the son of God. This completely changes a doctrine of Mormonism because the believe that these are two distinct and different gods. One of these books is in error, which one is it? We carry in our book inventory several copies of the 1830 edition, as well as another book that completely identifies all 3,913 changes. This is pretty shocking to most Mormons because they have never been shown this before.
Finally, we have to put Joseph Smith to the test of a prophet. Deuteronomy 18:20-22 says "But the prophet which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. and if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him." When we compare the prophecies of Joseph Smith with what really happened, we find that most did not come true. For example, in section 84 of the Doctrine and Covenants he said the Lord told him that before the current generation had all passed away, an LDS temple would be built in the western boundaries of Missouri. Smith gave that prophecy in 1832, so 164 years has gone by and there is still no LDS temple in the western boundaries of Missouri. And there is certainly not anyone still alive from 1832. In another prophecy Smith said the Lord had told him that Christ would return in 56 years (History of the Church, Vol. 2, pg. 182). That was in 1835, so it would make the date of the Lord's return in 1891. That didn't happen. Smith said the moon is inhabited with people six feet tall, dressed like Quakers and living to be about 1,000 years of age (Young Women's Journal, published by the Young Ladies' Mutual Improvement Associations of Zio, 1892, vol. 3, pp. 263-267). In Journals of Discourses, Vol. 13, page 271, we find President Brigham Young saying that not only is the moon inhabited, but so is the sun. When talking to a Mormon who is aware of these prophecies, some actually responded that humans have landed on the front side of the moon and not the back side. It's always amazing to us, the length a some Mormons will go to in defending his church, even if it doesn't make any sense at all. So when we apply the Biblical test of a prophet to Joseph Smith, we find that he has failed. Remember, according to the test, it would only take one failed prophesy to make a false prophet. In just one group of 64 prophecies he made, 58 never came true and most were dated so the Mormon cannot say that the event just hasn't happened yetp> Remember, our job is not to convert anyone, we are to plant seeds and let the Holy Spirit do the converting. Keep planting seeds and praying for a harvest. God will bring them to Himself as He uses us as His instruments. What a joy that is!
Plagarized from:-
http://www.concernedchristians.org/nocomparison_bom1.php
