My prophets do not change the law nor does Yahshua without YAH. But that is my take. You have yours whether its right, wrong or indifferent. I myself choose Truth.jgallandt said:But that's the problem, you see wman, the TRUTH of Jesus Christ is what we follow. Funny how your prophets can change 'the law' but the son of God can't.... go figure.
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Did Jesus free us from the Law?
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You may say it a thousand, million times or more but it will never make it true. I observe the Truth of YAH. You follow whatever you choose.jgallandt said:
jgallandt said:
Sad ......... Just sad.I will pray that you have enough understanding to light the path. It will however be up to you to follow it.
Shalom
jeffrey
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Your posts and arguements get weaker by the minute, as you slowly sink in the abyss of illogical nonsense. Pray for yourself that one day you might come to know Christ.wmam said:You may say it a thousand, million times or more but it will never make it true. I observe the Truth of YAH. You follow whatever you choose.
Shalom
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
So you call the Scriptures "blind"? That is revealing in and of itself.wmam said:
Christmas is here. Peace on earth!
JamesThePersian said:
Gentiles never under the law? I totally agree with your insightfulness. You might also consider a few other things such as Jesus never being sent to any Gentiles because he was only sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, and those commandments of law by Moses did not extend to any other people than the Israelites in sons of Jacob. Moses did not include the Moabites, Jebusites, Amonites, Canaanites, etc. Only Israel could transgress her own laws. Not having any laws or covenants is also why Jesus was not sent to Rome or any other peoples for his authority is seen within his own people as a priest of the family of priests in covenanted "elect" and "chosen" people, the Levite family.
So, what do I personally believe and cause of my Atheism? Jesus not being sent to me. And, where there is no law there is no sin. Do you consider yourself a sinner, meaning, transgressor of Israel's laws? If so how? If you have never been given laws to transgress against, then how can you be called a sinner? From days of Adam? No, for those are the generations in genealogies not purposed for the whole world, but to show record of Israel's beginnings in tribal kinsmen.
The Jews were instructed to maintain their covenants and laws and these were not changed by Jesus. I read Jesus as a strict legalist sent to uphold the covenant and laws established for Israel alone. The question of Gentile observance as in obedience to those statutes and ordinances for Jews is what the Jerusalem Counsel decided and based on no laws for Gentiles to be found.
It boiled down to this one thing: Gentiles were declared as being free from Judaism and its covenants and laws. And the Pharisees and elders did not seem to like that ruling. However, even then as now, many uncircumcised Gentiles could not accept it and desired being "zealous"(zealots) for the law but unwilling to conform to that covenant of circumcision and obedience to laws of Moses. So Paul is seen trying to explain to the Gentiles why they did not need the law of circumcision and why they knew how to obey laws by nature - reasoning of good and evil within whatever society they lived.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Energise... I disagree with your take on this. EVERYONE was subject to the Mosaical laws. That's why the others were considered "unclean". Jesus freed EVERYONE from the law by meeting the Law's requirements. Jesus came for Jews and non-Jews (lady at the well) which is yet another reason the Pharisees hated him.
NetDoc said:
But everyone wasn't subjected to Mosaic laws. Unless they converted of course, then they would have become Israelites and no longer be seen as uncircumcised Gentiles.
Yes, laws for Israelites determined other people as "unclean". But why do you think Israelites were more right (righteous) than other peoples of Canaan land? Because their prophets said so? Do you see the "idolatry" of this frame of mind?
Jesus did not change covenant of circumcision or law of commandments given by Moses. They were established for Israel alone and this why Jesus did not condemn the world. The two witnesses in identity of Israel were circumcision and law of commandments. Without these the nation of Israel would have ceased to exist. For both made testimony to their god who established them in the first place.
So we see that Jesus did not free the Jews from covenant and laws. His purpose as priest was to reprove and correct in the laws. "Ye have heard that it hath been said, but now I say this to you".. This is how Jesus "saved" his brethren Jews from transgressing their laws and this is how Jesus "put an end to sin". This is also how he fulfilled the law in his position as priest.
The lady at the well was in "house of Joseph", and "her father" who was not Jacob, and points to another "house" whereof Jesus was not sent. There was also the house of Esau in which Jesus was not sent to the Edomites. Nor was he sent to the House of Ishmael, or House of Caesar, any other people. And none of these were under commandments of law given to Israel in House of Jacob.
I read the text as showing Pharisee fear and envy which caused them to lie against Jesus and crucify him out of their way. For they were not anointed to "sit in Moses seat" at Jerusalem as law givers, meaning, priests elected to be judges in matters of concern the people of Israel brought before them. That business had been established for Levites specifically at the beginning of Israel as a nation. And the Pharisees feared if Caesar discovered that pertinent information he might come and take away their name and place at Jerusalem. For the Pharisees were the ruling authorities, the governing body of priests in those days of Jesus, even though a few Levites were in attendance. We see the Levites in Jesus day as being fearful of the Pharisees. The Pharisees had close ties with Herod because their kingdom at Jerusalem was "nourished" by king Herods country.
When Jesus said, "the son of man hath no place to lay his head", he was indicating that Levites were not in authority as originally elected to that position. However, the Levites, who were "as dead", were "raised-up" by Jesus, not to suffer "a second death".
Do you see how this story is not about Gentiles but infighting of Jews? And how the laws of Israel applied only to the Jews and no other people?
Jesus did not gather uncircumcised Gentiles, who had no laws, into his kingdom of priests. It was expected that any desiring to be his disciples should convert to Judaism and follow his way, truth and life of Judaism. Jesus was not converting people to Gentilism.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Live under the Law then my friend. I choose freedom and not some spiritual mumbo jumbo.
Romans 3:21 But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished 26 he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. 28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. 29 Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. NIV
You see, since the two laws are internalised (Love God, Love Everyone Else) we don't need any other laws in order to worship God.
Romans 3:21 But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished 26 he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.
27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. 28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. 29 Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. NIV
You see, since the two laws are internalised (Love God, Love Everyone Else) we don't need any other laws in order to worship God.
See and here I thought that once you ask for forgiveness that you would receive it but to continue to sin would be a big no no. Then you have to wonder what is sin and it is written that sin is breaking the Law. Ummmmmm........... Then we have this "Love" thing thrown into the mix.... well it isn't new mind you. It is, and has always been, a part of the relationship that a child should have with its parent. But what is your definition of this word "Love" as it is intended in the Scriptures? I again would have to say that if a child were to "Love" his or her parent then the child would most assuredly obey that parent which would show the utmost love. To adhere to every word set forth out of the mouth of that parent would be the greatest showing of "Love" one could make. I believe this also is written in Scripture. To Love YAH your Elohim with all your heart and all your mind. I see that believing in Yahshua the anointed does save one from past sins. But we go yet again to only having to have faith when it is plainly stated in so many places that faith alone is not, in and of itself, enough to make it to the Kingdom of YAH. Faith without works is dead? Show me your faith and I will show you my faith by my works? I truly understand how one could and would continue to mis understand the plain simple facts as to the Truth of the Scriptures for I myself was once lost as I was brought up as a southern baptist. I have since been shown the light to the True path. The True Way. You prostrate yourselves as you see fit. You promote your ideas of Worthy Ship (Worship) as you deem fit. I will allow the messenger of Truth guide my way. I will love my Father, who art in Heaven, by showing Him my obedience and that will show my Faith as I do believe and have Faith in Yahshua the Anointed. I pray that His Truth continue through His Son and on through the messenger to me that I might continue to understand His will. Again, my answer to the question at hand is a plain and simple "NO". Yahshua did not come to do away with the Law. He came to uphold it by doing it therefore He fulfilled it. In other words, He did the Law. His blood was shed that we might all have a bridge to YAH. A bridge of forgiveness of past sins. But once you have been circumcised of the heart, washed of your past sins, made righteous through His blood, and you are truly possessed by the Truth of His will by way of His Son and on through the messenger that He sent, then you wouldn't have to worry about any Law would you? You would be so right that you wouldn't do any wrong if you wanted to because you wouldn't want to because you were truly saved. It is true that the Law isn't for the Righteous, for if the Righteous needed the Law then were would they be Righteous? The Law is for the unrighteous. How else would they know what sin was? If you are truly Righteous then you have been reborn and are free from sin because you would have the Truth in every part of your being and would do no sin. This isn't hard. Its just different then the "For Profit Churches" would want you to believe. Its so funny how men try to explain what the True will of YAH is with all their important 20 dollar words and their self indulged high thinking. They try to second guess what YAH wants for us and they twist the True meaning of His Words. Even history has shown where man has added to or taken away from YAH's Truth. You can find such right in your own Scriptures. Only thing is, is that they themselves didn't make enough changes in the right places to hide the Truth. The Truth is still there but men today still use the same mind set when teaching others how to understand the Word. They themselves are misguided little children that continue to drag those that would follow them down that long, dark path of lie's and deceit. We know who the father of lie's and deceit is and I do not accept that evil one as my father. There is only one and that be YAH. Praise YAH!NetDoc said:
joeboonda
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2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
2:20 I am crucified with Christ: neverthless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
4:1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all; 4:2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
4:11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
4:12 Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all.
4:13 Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.
4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.
4:15 Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if it had been possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me.
4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? 4:17 They zealously affect you, but not well; yea, they would exclude you, that ye might affect them.
4:18 But it is good to be zealously affected always in a good thing, and not only when I am present with you.
4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, 4:20 I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.
4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
5:7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? 5:8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
5:10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
5:11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
5:12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
(King James Bible, Galatians)
2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
2:20 I am crucified with Christ: neverthless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
4:1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all; 4:2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
4:11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
4:12 Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all.
4:13 Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.
4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.
4:15 Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if it had been possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me.
4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? 4:17 They zealously affect you, but not well; yea, they would exclude you, that ye might affect them.
4:18 But it is good to be zealously affected always in a good thing, and not only when I am present with you.
4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, 4:20 I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.
4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
5:7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? 5:8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
5:10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
5:11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
5:12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
(King James Bible, Galatians)
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
He didn't "do away" with the law: he fulfilled it. Hallelujah, we are FREED from the law! I think Jesus sums it up the best!
John 8:31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
33 They answered him, "We are Abraham's descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?"
34 Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37 I know you are Abraham's descendants. Yet you are ready to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father's presence, and you do what you have heard from your father."
39 "Abraham is our father," they answered.
"If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, "then you would do the things Abraham did. 40 As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the things your own father does."
"We are not illegitimate children," they protested. "The only Father we have is God himself."
42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me? 47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God." NIV
John 8:31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
33 They answered him, "We are Abraham's descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?"
34 Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37 I know you are Abraham's descendants. Yet you are ready to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father's presence, and you do what you have heard from your father."
39 "Abraham is our father," they answered.
"If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, "then you would do the things Abraham did. 40 As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the things your own father does."
"We are not illegitimate children," they protested. "The only Father we have is God himself."
42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me? 47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God." NIV
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
What does Paul mean in the aforementioned scripture? Does Paul mean that we no longer have to keep the commandments and laws given to mankind through Israel? It couldn'tt mean that! Why? Because Paul made these following statements:
1Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of YAH? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor Extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of YAH
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 5:21 Envying, murders, drunkenness, Revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of YAH.
Paul first says that we are not under law but under grace but in both of these verses he has now said that if you commit the aforementioned acts, which are transgressions of the law (Sins or Lawlessness), you will not inherit the kingdom of YAH. So the question is, what law is Paul speaking about that we are not under since we cannot do the aforementioned actions and inherit salvation?
What does Paul mean in the aforementioned scripture? Does Paul mean that we no longer have to keep the commandments and laws given to mankind through Israel? It couldn'tt mean that! Why? Because Paul made these following statements:
1Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of YAH? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor Extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of YAH
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 5:21 Envying, murders, drunkenness, Revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of YAH.
Paul first says that we are not under law but under grace but in both of these verses he has now said that if you commit the aforementioned acts, which are transgressions of the law (Sins or Lawlessness), you will not inherit the kingdom of YAH. So the question is, what law is Paul speaking about that we are not under since we cannot do the aforementioned actions and inherit salvation?
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Yay is right: We are free to love!wmam said:
Galations 5:13 You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. 14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." NIV