Sadly, this is indeed so. But, it sure does add to the variety of experience.And at times the Knowledge is not Pure and neither are the Hearts of the Children or the Families
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Help this wandering seeker find peace!
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horizon_mj1
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:yes: it sure does, does it not
But I thought you said that all would be welcome as long as they aren't trying to force their own personal agenda onto the church. It seems more like a "as long as you consent to our personal agenda you're welcome" rather than "all are welcome unless you have a personal agenda for us"
I'll have to find that post then
edit: nope can't find any evidence for your original claim
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For membership they definitely can require compliance.
I was more thinking of fellowship and friendship to help people sincerely wanting to qualify for membership.
So far as I know, all churches are open to receive non-members to fellowship and friendship as long as they are sincere and not coming as a wolf among the flock, so to speak.
See this post #22 where they say "I am who I am. I can't change that with a sledgehammer"
That is the evidence that someone no longer accepts responsibility for themselves and they have turned the wheel over to some other outside influences they believe they have no power over.
You don't change yourself with a sledgehammer. Nobody wants to be treated that way, not even you to yourself. What you need to do is find out how those false spirits got in you that have you so dis-empowered about who and what you want to be and to get your own power of choice back.
In which case I'm not sure why Matthias would like to have friendship and fellowship with people who can't accept him fully for who he is
This doesn't back up your claim that Matthias is under "demonic activity". It's just you re asserting that claim
I thought that was pretty clear.
If Matthias wanted help out of a wave s/he didn't want to be in and wished to be something new entirely, then friendship and fellowship with those who exemplify and represent what you wish to be is most desirable.
My point is, nobody should be surprised if a religious group removes the welcome mat for those who simply wish to tempt them to not have fidelity to their God, as conceived by them.
It is evidence that they have suffered themselves to be totally dis-empowered and they are yielding to pressures or influences outside of their conscious control. I suppose some people wouldn't call that demonic activity, but that's what I mean by it.
marizfaith
Ten Boom
So true brother. Never stop looking for the truth. When you know the truth, you will know peace.
Considering you originally said that Matthias would have no trouble in a religion, I took that to mean as being a member of that religion.
Then please be more clear next time. Most people, I assume, take demonic activity to mean something supernatural due to the word "demonic"
Agree on both points and thank you for bringing this to light!
Edit: However, please recall, I did say s/he would have no trouble with a condition.
I use the semantics of religion, but I also know what those semantics distil down to in practical terms as well. I find the religious terms far more poetic, succinct and precise since matters of spirituality are in a realm of their own.
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No problem
MatthiasGould
Alhamdulillah!
This thread has become VERY confusing...
MatthiasGould
Alhamdulillah!
Sounds like that's the best idea...:rainbow1:I think we agreed that you should just do what you feel right
Yep, and I'm sure everyone around you is waiting for you to make that choice.I think we agreed that you should just do what you feel right
It's the indecision that makes things so hard on you and on everyone around you.
MatthiasGould
Alhamdulillah!
Half my problem is that often I spend so much time in that indecisive frame of mind that committing myself becomes a big issue that I get stressed about.
I'm pretty sure everyone can relate to that.
My approach is simply to say to myself "More information required".
It really only becomes stressful if you are forced to a small time frame and that needed boost of information is not available, or if you are in a compromised state and something foreign to your natural state of being is working on you to get you to make a decision without proper consideration.
If you are not under a time constraint, ease up on yourself.
MatthiasGould
Alhamdulillah!
I don't want to rush things. Nothing worse than putting pressure on myself because of some imagined time limit.
Take a deep breath and let it all out and affirm to yourself that it's Okay to just "be with it". The best answers come when you are in a space of openness, trust and acceptance. My heart goes out to you and I very much hope the best! I believe as you are patient and loving, with yourself and others, that you will get the information you need to know what is going to be the best thing for you.
I know a lot has been written but this statement is the one I would like to address. Don't worry too much about finding the right religion. Religions come and go. If you commit yourself to seeking out the truth, you will find it. No matter where you find yourself right now, keep a clear purpose inside of you to seek out god and the truth. Stay active in your life and the right way to go will made apparent to you. Spirit has a way of perfectly orchestrating things so long as your purpose is sincere and genuine.