al-amiyr
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They will live in palaces in the presence of their lord.If faithful Islamic men are awarded beautiful maidens... What is awarded to a faithful Islamic woman in heaven?
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They will live in palaces in the presence of their lord.If faithful Islamic men are awarded beautiful maidens... What is awarded to a faithful Islamic woman in heaven?
You speak so much about Freedom but then you tried to take mine away. I gave an answer to someone in another thread he made and then twice in a row you called me a troll. You were hoping that people gang up against me so that only your views will stand. You remind me of the same kind of attitude of many fundamentalist Muslims who imagine that they follow the true religion.
How can I take you seriously.
I first need to understand your version of justice. You slap one in the face by calling one a troll and then justify it. Honestly I almost abandoned this forum because of this arrogance. You seem to want to make this your heaven to the exclusion of all those you decide are trolls. What kind of arrogance is that. I have never ever said to anyone on any forum that they are trolls. I always believe in the right of others to speak. Now this is what the Qur'aan say is the attitude of many. Everyday I witness it and You yourself have the motto to your name,"I beleive in Freedom, but I do not beleive it is free." I hope that it is true because with me you have done the opposite.In my defense, your posts, for which I called you out for "trolling", were prime examples of what trolling actually is. And, I simply called you out for trolling, I did not tag on my personal views as if to sway the perception of those who might agree with me.
I have done it before in forums (trolling), and when I was called out for it, I made no argument against it. And my questions directed toward you in this thread were that of fairness and justice... So I continue with my questions... I am simply seeking knowledge and opinions, that is all.
So, Men in Islamic heaven are awarded beautiful maidens to serve them...
Women in Islamic heaven are allowed to live in the kingdom of their god...
So this begs the question... Are these "serving maidens" soul-less entities meant simply to serve the men who exist in the Islamic heaven? Or are the maidens the actual souls of those women who have been accepted into Heaven, and their reward is to be "allowed" to continue "serving" the same men, but now they happen to be in heaven?
I first need to understand your version of justice. You slap one in the face by calling one a troll and then justify it. Honestly I almost abandoned this forum because of this arrogance. You seem to want to make this your heaven to the exclusion of all those you decide are trolls. What kind of arrogance is that. I have never ever said to anyone on any forum that they are trolls. I always believe in the right of others to speak. Now this is what the Qur'aan say is the attitude of many. Everyday I witness it and You yourself have the motto to your name,"I beleive in Freedom, but I do not beleive it is free." I hope that it is true because with me you have done the opposite.
I will answer the other questions even if it is not related to this thread. Now would that not be against the forum rules. We can begin discussing it from the correct angle.
Who said that they are less worthy?Just as you a free to post replies which can be considered "trolling", so am I free to call you out on it, just as others have and will call me out when I do it as well.
Ok, my point is actually toward the matter to address the question which you posed in the title of the thread ... Debatable?
My point is that all religions are debatable, I picked certain elements of Islam because you are asking if the teachings of Islam are debatable. I was simply pointing out that they are. You claim that Islam is fair even in it's blatant disregard for the definition of fair... Why are the souls of women less worthy than the souls of men? This point makes any argument made by Islamic teachings debatable.
Who said that they are less worthy?
This is of The Teaching of the Prophet Muhammad (S+) about the percentage of humanity that is going to burn in the fires of Hell.
Good answer!I stopped reading after this.
My view: hell, probably, doesn't exist so 0% of people are going there.
I agree with you 100%. You are now a little more closer to Islaam for believing that. I would now say from what I know about you that you are now 25% Muslim. Continue!If women in Heaven are not given handsome men servants, then they are not "as" worthy as men in Heaven who are given beautiful maidens. And furthermore, "If" those maidens are the souls of the women who have made it to Heaven, they in essence of being "given to" the soul of a man implies that they are not as worthy as men.
My argument is still on the subject of fair... not a black and white argument, the fact that they are allowed into Heaven at all would suggest a level of worth. But if that level of worth is ONLY as a measure to serve the souls or men, then it is not an equal, or a fair level of worthiness.
Good answer!
So you cannot say for sure. So you take it on faith that it probably does not exist. You follow a dangerous path..
If faithful Islamic men are awarded beautiful maidens... What is awarded to a faithful Islamic woman in heaven?
if by faith you mean "not certain" then yes. The problem for you is that nothing about hell is certain and to say otherwise is intellectual suicide
(by certain I'm talking of something that can't be doubted. So if something is certain then there is no possibility of being wrong)
I agree with you 100%. You are now a little more closer to Islaam for believing that. I would now say from what I know about you that you are now 25% Muslim. Continue!
They get the reward of serving the faithful men their tea.......yay for us!
Good answer!
So you cannot say for sure. So you take it on faith that it probably does not exist. You follow a dangerous path..
No! They shall live in the presence of the lord where are the fulfillment of all wishes or desires.None shall be servants. The prophet said non shall be happy with the reward God will bestow on any. Everyone perfectly contented.