al-amiyr
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They will live in palaces in the presence of their lord.
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99.9% Of The World Is Going To Hell Fire? What Sayest The Satanists? or Whoever Else?.... Debatable?
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RedJamaX
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In my defense, your posts, for which I called you out for "trolling", were prime examples of what trolling actually is. And, I simply called you out for trolling, I did not tag on my personal views as if to sway the perception of those who might agree with me.
I have done it before in forums (trolling), and when I was called out for it, I made no argument against it. And my questions directed toward you in this thread were that of fairness and justice... So I continue with my questions... I am simply seeking knowledge and opinions, that is all.
So, Men in Islamic heaven are awarded beautiful maidens to serve them...
Women in Islamic heaven are allowed to live in the kingdom of their god...
So this begs the question... Are these "serving maidens" soul-less entities meant simply to serve the men who exist in the Islamic heaven? Or are the maidens the actual souls of those women who have been accepted into Heaven, and their reward is to be "allowed" to continue "serving" the same men, but now they happen to be in heaven?
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apophenia
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OK. Pardon my indulgence in a classic nursery rhyme. I couldn't help myself with a straight-line like "you'd better watch out". I'm just human. Funny how we sing that song for Jesus's birthday.
Maybe we should sing a broken hallelujah. 99.5% go to hell ! Hallelujah ! The quality of mercy PWNs you ! Bwaaahahaha !
Maybe we should sing a broken hallelujah. 99.5% go to hell ! Hallelujah ! The quality of mercy PWNs you ! Bwaaahahaha !
apophenia
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I do have a point here, it's just taking its time coagulating.
My point, or more correctly observation, is that there seems to me to be something in the background of this thread that is itching.
The itching and scratching appears to me to be about some drama that can be created by talking about and threatening and predicting hell. What really motivates this ? Why would a person think that reminding us all of a vague spooky nightmare we can never really grasp is going to be a worthwhile endeavor ? Are the 99.5 % of people going to suddenly change their fate by hearing this stuff? Obviously not, because if they did then it wouldn't be 99.5% anymore so the 'revealed' prediction would be wrong.
That is the kind of futile loop associated with predestination/prophesy.
See Frank Herbert, the 'Dune' series, for a literary, mystical, sci-fi exploration of this and related subjects (such as heaven and hell).
edit : I'll add no more to this thread unless I'm quoted. Have at it .
My point, or more correctly observation, is that there seems to me to be something in the background of this thread that is itching.
The itching and scratching appears to me to be about some drama that can be created by talking about and threatening and predicting hell. What really motivates this ? Why would a person think that reminding us all of a vague spooky nightmare we can never really grasp is going to be a worthwhile endeavor ? Are the 99.5 % of people going to suddenly change their fate by hearing this stuff? Obviously not, because if they did then it wouldn't be 99.5% anymore so the 'revealed' prediction would be wrong.
That is the kind of futile loop associated with predestination/prophesy.
See Frank Herbert, the 'Dune' series, for a literary, mystical, sci-fi exploration of this and related subjects (such as heaven and hell).
edit : I'll add no more to this thread unless I'm quoted. Have at it .
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al-amiyr
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I first need to understand your version of justice. You slap one in the face by calling one a troll and then justify it. Honestly I almost abandoned this forum because of this arrogance. You seem to want to make this your heaven to the exclusion of all those you decide are trolls. What kind of arrogance is that. I have never ever said to anyone on any forum that they are trolls. I always believe in the right of others to speak. Now this is what the Qur'aan say is the attitude of many. Everyday I witness it and You yourself have the motto to your name,"I beleive in Freedom, but I do not beleive it is free." I hope that it is true because with me you have done the opposite.
I will answer the other questions even if it is not related to this thread. Now would that not be against the forum rules. We can begin discussing it from the correct angle.
RedJamaX
Active Member
Just as you a free to post replies which can be considered "trolling", so am I free to call you out on it, just as others have and will call me out when I do it as well.
Ok, my point is actually toward the matter to address the question which you posed in the title of the thread ... Debatable?
My point is that all religions are debatable, I picked certain elements of Islam because you are asking if the teachings of Islam are debatable. I was simply pointing out that they are. You claim that Islam is fair even in it's blatant disregard for the definition of fair... Why are the souls of women less worthy than the souls of men? This point makes any argument made by Islamic teachings debatable.
marizfaith
Ten Boom
I think the world is already a cesspool. We just exist for a few good places that still are unharmed.
al-amiyr
Active Member
Who said that they are less worthy?
RedJamaX
Active Member
If women in Heaven are not given handsome men servants, then they are not "as" worthy as men in Heaven who are given beautiful maidens. And furthermore, "If" those maidens are the souls of the women who have made it to Heaven, they in essence of being "given to" the soul of a man implies that they are not as worthy as men.
My argument is still on the subject of fair... not a black and white argument, the fact that they are allowed into Heaven at all would suggest a level of worth. But if that level of worth is ONLY as a measure to serve the souls or men, then it is not an equal, or a fair level of worthiness.
I stopped reading after this.
My view: hell, probably, doesn't exist so 0% of people are going there.
al-amiyr
Active Member
Good answer!
So you cannot say for sure. So you take it on faith that it probably does not exist. You follow a dangerous path..
al-amiyr
Active Member
I agree with you 100%. You are now a little more closer to Islaam for believing that. I would now say from what I know about you that you are now 25% Muslim. Continue!
if by faith you mean "not certain" then yes. The problem for you is that nothing about hell is certain and to say otherwise is intellectual suicide
(by certain I'm talking of something that can't be doubted. So if something is certain then there is no possibility of being wrong)
Lady B
noob
They get the reward of serving the faithful men their tea.......yay for us!
al-amiyr
Active Member
I will come to the point soon if I am still alive. I will tackle the point scientifically.
RedJamaX
Active Member
:sarcastic
That was a question, not a statement...
And in that is the basis of my argument against the teachings of Islam being the truth of events yet to take place...
Chain of events... (these observations are based on your claims and beliefs in Islam that you have expressed here, either directly, or indirectly)
- All Islam teaching are true
- All teachings are fair
- Said teaching of women's souls in Heaven breaks the very essence of what is "fair", and therefore contradictory to itself
- End of world teaching is automatically not true because contradictory teachings cancel each other out and hence make all teachings null and void due to the invalidity of the first teaching on this list.
Fret Not, for this logical argument works on every religion. All you have to do is replace the words in bold with points of contention for the religion in suspect.
This is why I personally do not believe in ANY religion's teachings on the Coming end of the World.
al-amiyr
Active Member
No! They shall live in the presence of the lord where are the fulfillment of all wishes or desires.None shall be servants. The prophet said non shall be happy with the reward God will bestow on any. Everyone perfectly contented.
The exact same good be said of you following Islam. Pascal's wager is a poor argument for you to try and make.
RedJamaX
Active Member
Ah... not what you implied earlier... and so... "Who" will be the maidens "given" to the souls men? Or perhaps I am mis-interpretting the whole "Men are given maidens"... does that not mean they are to serve them? Or is the assumption that they want to server the souls of men by nature? Perhaps you could elaborate on that?