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Can God Evolve?
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cardero
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If we are to believe that GOD was integral to the Bible and that the stories in the Bible about GOD are TRUE than I would admit that GOD has evolved quite a bit. Take the examples of Genesis where GODs wraith towards humanity was vengeful and malicious. GOD doesnt do that anymore. So either someone changed his medication or the stories in the Bible were not about GOD or GOD does indeed change and evolve.
God does not and cannot evolve.
God has no time constraints. He is past, present and future.
In the Old Testament, God taught us according to our understanding at the time. We were a primitive people with primitive ways. I wouldn't have thought that God really wanted animal sacrifice either but that's what the people had grown to know and so God worked within the ways that we could comprehend. They could understand the covenant nature of sacrifice. God worked with the everyday things that people lived with - dirt, water, example - the ten plagues. He used water, blood, snakes, locusts, disease. These the people knew very well on a daily basis. Jesus did the same thing; He used dirt and spit to make mud to give sight to a blind man. God "educated" us slowly over time so it is we who have evolved (at God's promting) not God.
God could not spring Jesus (Himself) on us at the time of the Old Testament - we were not ready for Him then. We could not have comprehended what God wanted to teach us. He had to teach us some basic first. He brought us along, little by little. Even before Jesus left the earth, there were still things that He could not tell us because we could not take it. He left that job of helping us to understand His revelations to the Holy Spirit. That was the purpose of the Holy Spirit - to help the Apostles remember and understand all that Jesus had left them so they could pass and teach the "good news".
God is as He is. It is our intellect that grows thus our understanding grows. God does not evolve. God has been, is now and will always be.
God has no time constraints. He is past, present and future.
In the Old Testament, God taught us according to our understanding at the time. We were a primitive people with primitive ways. I wouldn't have thought that God really wanted animal sacrifice either but that's what the people had grown to know and so God worked within the ways that we could comprehend. They could understand the covenant nature of sacrifice. God worked with the everyday things that people lived with - dirt, water, example - the ten plagues. He used water, blood, snakes, locusts, disease. These the people knew very well on a daily basis. Jesus did the same thing; He used dirt and spit to make mud to give sight to a blind man. God "educated" us slowly over time so it is we who have evolved (at God's promting) not God.
God could not spring Jesus (Himself) on us at the time of the Old Testament - we were not ready for Him then. We could not have comprehended what God wanted to teach us. He had to teach us some basic first. He brought us along, little by little. Even before Jesus left the earth, there were still things that He could not tell us because we could not take it. He left that job of helping us to understand His revelations to the Holy Spirit. That was the purpose of the Holy Spirit - to help the Apostles remember and understand all that Jesus had left them so they could pass and teach the "good news".
God is as He is. It is our intellect that grows thus our understanding grows. God does not evolve. God has been, is now and will always be.
Paraprakrti
Custom User
It is not necessary for God to evolve because He is eternally complete and full in all transcendental qualities.
What does evolve is our understanding of God.
What does evolve is our understanding of God.
Green Gaia
Veteran Member
"God" as a deity is a creation of man. So of course the idea of what "God" is will change as man evolves.
starofjacob
New Member
God does have the capacity to grow. That is why he/she created us, so that he/she could grow in love toward us his/her creation
Ceridwen018
Well-Known Member
What about physical qualities? Because you see, we live in and are only able to percieve the physical world, so wouldn't it be more beneficial to us if he were complete by physical standards?
cardero
Citizen Mod
I agree that GOD evolves too. There was a time that GOD had to come into some kind of UNDERSTANDING just like we are experiencing but I also believe his UNDERSTANDING had come along way before there was any other entities around.
I also do not believe that GOD waits for our understanding to define his own. This sounds like a Christian theory.
The Christian God sure has matured. Think of the OT God: "If you touch my things, I'll kill you" - and he does (2 Sam 6:7). "Look at my things, and I'll kill you" - and he does (1 Sam 6:19; 50 070 dead according to the KJV, 70 according to Swedish Bibles). And look at that woman - she's bleeding from there! Yuck! Don't touch her!!
The NT God is clearly more mature and loving, even having his son killed for a few hours, to show his mercy and compassion.
The NT God is clearly more mature and loving, even having his son killed for a few hours, to show his mercy and compassion.
Ceridwen018
Well-Known Member
But anders, Would that be god maturing, or the people who believe in god maturing? After all, it is the PEOPLE who say such things as "Oh, we don't need to listen to the OT laws anymore--they're outdated". For all we know, god could be up in heaven, absolutely furious about that!
Ardhanariswar
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""God" as a deity is a creation of man. So of course the idea of what "God" is will change as man evolves. "
i think the christian idea of God has evolved from a vengeful God to a more forgiving one. hinduisms God on the other hand is just there. ever present.
i think the christian idea of God has evolved from a vengeful God to a more forgiving one. hinduisms God on the other hand is just there. ever present.
Weeeell,
I really tried to see it from the point of a still slightly believing Christian. (S)he couldn't very well say that people make up God, could (s)he? The OT is still there, in all its atrociousness, so how could it be interpreted in another way but God gradually getting more humane? I think that the way I wrote it, there would still be a chance for the Christian to keep believing.
I really tried to see it from the point of a still slightly believing Christian. (S)he couldn't very well say that people make up God, could (s)he? The OT is still there, in all its atrociousness, so how could it be interpreted in another way but God gradually getting more humane? I think that the way I wrote it, there would still be a chance for the Christian to keep believing.
Lostinthisworld
Member
The devil is always changing with the times but GOD is always the same.
scitsofreaky
Active Member
There is an increasingly more popular within deism called panendeism. They believe that the universe is a part of God, and so if the universe is changing/evolving, which it seems to be, then God must be changing.
I think that our belief in what God is has and will continue to change. Judaism and christianity are a very good example of this: early Jews were polytheistic, believing that God lived on a mountain (not unlike the Greeks) and only had powers in a certain area, and throughout time God became more vast and more powerful, but also more removed. In christianity, God does not directly intervene, but sends Jesus (and even the belief of the diety of Jesus, or lack thereof, has started to change). Now, there seems to be more and more people believing in a more non-interveneing God.
I don't think that it is any coincidence that this change seems to have gone hand in hand with our knowledge of the universe. "God" has been used to explain things that we don't understand, so the more we understand, the less invloved "God" will become.
I think that our belief in what God is has and will continue to change. Judaism and christianity are a very good example of this: early Jews were polytheistic, believing that God lived on a mountain (not unlike the Greeks) and only had powers in a certain area, and throughout time God became more vast and more powerful, but also more removed. In christianity, God does not directly intervene, but sends Jesus (and even the belief of the diety of Jesus, or lack thereof, has started to change). Now, there seems to be more and more people believing in a more non-interveneing God.
I don't think that it is any coincidence that this change seems to have gone hand in hand with our knowledge of the universe. "God" has been used to explain things that we don't understand, so the more we understand, the less invloved "God" will become.
Lostinthisworld
Member
And another one bites the dust, another job well done by the devil
"KISS keep it simple stupid "
"KISS keep it simple stupid "
Heaven and earth shall pass away but not my words. Jesus Christ the same yeaterday today and forever.Maize said:
The ground that you walk on does not rest saying , "Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord god Almighty, which was and is and is to come. "
God is far to great by quintilions of quintillions of quintillions of quintillions of what you and I call years too big for you and I to ever comprehend, in one sense of revelation. He is also way too wonderful for you to ever find out. John7:37-39, told me this in a fraction of time.
We are incomplete, which is why John said in one of his epistles "love not the world, neithr the things of the world for all that is in the world, is the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. None of these characteristics are in the Father.Ceridwen018 said:
I believe that the teachings of Jesus gives us the idea of who God is his greatness. Even an idiot or moron can submiseGerani1248 said:
, no offence, that there is some entity out there, beyound his reach, but there non the less. Christianity allows us to reach that everpresent God and have whatever we will from Him. Jesus teaches us that nothing is impossible with God. That we can have our heart's desire from him through the promises not to break a brick with our heads but to allow his kingdom in this world to stop the attack of the devil who uses the law of sin and death against us.:woohoo: