Reverend Richard
New Thought Minister
You tell me, George W Bush was still president in all of 2008...
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My thoughts on the Romneys Income Tax Returns and other points. Any rebuke
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You tell me, George W Bush was still president in all of 2008...
Your preference is understandable, but business is all about working for others too.
It's far more cooperation than competition or single minded rapacious gain.
tytlyf
Not Religious
The government is not a business. A business is designed to be run for profit. The government is designed to help the people.
Reverend Richard
New Thought Minister
Well the semantics are important when you are claiming a balance of power that does not exist. Wasn't that your whole point that the Dems controlled everything and therefore should be able to do anything they wanted? I wasn't playing semantics I was trying to point out the fallacy in your argument regarding the balance of power.
The Dems had a majority in 2009 (for about a year) and then in 2010, the Republican power shifted back to the House of Representatives.
I don't like Obama, but I like Romney even less, and sadly I will not vote for either of them in this election.
If God had intended us to vote, He would have given us real candidates.
But since our relationship with government is involuntary (unlike business), it has great power to
place its boot on our necks. I've found it to have a plethora of nasties & a paucity of helpingnesses.
Unlike gov, business has never:
- Pointed an M16 at me while inspecting my truck.
- Fondled me while traveling by air.
- Forced me to pay huge bills for things I don't want.
- Tried to draft me into the VN war.
- Illegally raised my property taxes far above market value.
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And even when the Democrats had a majority, they didn't have the "supermajority" that would be necessary to invoke cloture/closure to get legislation passed quickly. The Republicans could (and frequently did) use filibusters and other delaying tactics or the threat of them to impede new legislation.
Businesses don't have the power to oppress? That's news to me.
Certainly not to the same extent. You don't argue otherwise, do you?
Reverend Richard
New Thought Minister
Yes, the Republicans are very adept at using filibusters to bog things down. Not the the Demofats don't use it too! No wonder congress' ratings are at an all-time low!
Depends on the government and the business in question.
I speak in general, of course.
A friend of my son just got out of jail after being found not guilty upon appeal.
He was in for 4 years. Business pales in comparison to gov for power to do harm.
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Deut 13:1
Well-Known Member
We agree, they both suck.
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Governments tend to be bigger, so they tend to have more weight to throw around. Still, if we're going by "nastiness per pound", I'd say that there are some companies that rank right up with the worst governments, if not beyond.
Reverend Richard
New Thought Minister
Government has more than size...it has unrivaled legal authority & immunity for its actions.
What on Earth can business do to compare with:
- Drafting you, & forcing you to kill others.
- Taking your property because it wants it.
- Imposing martial law.
- Imposing income taxes, sales taxes, personal property taxes, real estate taxes, use taxes, inventory taxes, self employment taxes, etc.
- Forcing you to stay alive when you're on your deathbed & in pain.
- Attacking your country militarily.
Alceste
Vagabond
Health care reform. Now your insurance company can't take your money for years, then cancel your coverage as soon as you get sick. Believe it or not, some extremely stupid Americans think that's a bad thing. Bad enough that he lost his majority in the next election.
Of all the people I know, not one has ever lost health care insurance upon getting really sick.
How common is what you claim?
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Reverend Richard
New Thought Minister
Agreed. Now that we have universal health care (or are on the verge of having it), the Republicans vow to dismantle it once they are in office. I think most people (perhaps the majority?) are not necessarily against universal heath care, but they're against it because their party told them it's a bad thing, or that it MUST be a bad thing since Obama pushed it out there.
Many times logic carries no weight in party politics.
Maersk Dubai incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Happens all the time. Less in this part of the world, but still fairly frequently.
Define "martial law".
In a monopoly or monosony situation, a business is quite free to set prices however they want. They don't call it a "tax", but the effect is the same.
And every condominium charges fees that are what I would call something pretty darn close to property tax.
You have me on that one. When businesses are being truly nasty to a person, they tend to go the other way: causing death and pain when the people affected would prefer to live.
My country hasn't been attacked militarily by another country in 200 years. OTOH, it's been attacked by private organizations several times. (by the Fenian Brotherhood and the Babbar Khalsa, in particular).
And I would say that many corporate actions - e.g. the ones of Union Carbide in Bhopal - are just as bad as a military attack. When you're dying from poison gas, the question of whether it was dropped from a plane intentionally or released from a plant due to negligence is rather irrelevant. Either way, your freedom (and your life) is curtailed to the same degree.