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Is critiquing the gay community the new antisemitic behavior?

ChristineES

ChristineES

Tiggerism
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jasonwill2 said:
A number of the KKK admits to being bigots.
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Actually, a lot of bigots know they are bigots. The more subtle forms of bigotry- such as generalizing and stereotypes is the type of bigotry that people don't realize when they are bigots. At least 2/3 of the bigots I've known knew they were bigots-- they just didn't care.
 
Deut 13:1

Deut 13:1

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ChristineES said:
Truthfully, the OT says nothing about being gay at all-- what the Bible does talk about is sodomy. That is something to keep in mind because if people are born gay, which I believe they are, then God couldn't possibly see it as a sin. The sex part I will not touch-- it doesn't effect me one way or another.
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Are people born to murder? rape? attracted to animals? attracted to children? The list goes on.

otokage007 said:
but now the new president wants to forbid it? Nonsense :areyoucra
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Baruch HaShem.
 
Deut 13:1

Deut 13:1

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You're the one that implied people are born a certain way and that because of it, it must be okay. I'm simply asking where you draw the line on what is okay and what is not. What criteria do you use?
 
MysticSang'ha

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Deut 13:1 said:
You're the one that implied people are born a certain way and that because of it, it must be okay. I'm simply asking where you draw the line on what is okay and what is not. What criteria do you use?
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My line is informed adult consent.
 
Deut 13:1

Deut 13:1

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Define adult consent? In Spain, the age is 13, is it okay for a teacher to have sex with a student as long as both consent?
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
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Deut 13:1 said:
Define adult consent?
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Which term is creating the difficulty?

We can have a reasoned argument about when a person might be deemed capable of rendering informed consent and how the inevitable exceptions to the standard might best be defined. But that is far different than denying the standard in principle.
 
otokage007

otokage007

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Deut 13:1 said:
Are people born to murder? rape? attracted to animals? attracted to children? The list goes on.
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What do all those things have to do with homosexuality? Is having sex with men similar to rape, murder or pedophilia in any particular way?
 
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MD

MD

qualiaphile
We have so many issues in the world that are much much more pressing than the sexual preferences certain people have. I wonder how some homophobic people can sit and read the IPCC papers on climate change, read the dire situation that exists for our grandchildren, ignore it, and continue campaigning against homosexuality. Mind freakin boggling.
 
Flankerl

Flankerl

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Quite some people take loans from different banks without understand what they are doing. Yet they give their consent to the whole matter.

Perhaps the age of consent should be around the age of 75. Just to be sure.
 
Deut 13:1

Deut 13:1

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Jayhawker Soule said:
Which term is creating the difficulty?

We can have a reasoned argument about when a person might be deemed capable of rendering informed consent and how the inevitable exceptions to the standard might best be defined. But that is far different than denying the standard in principle.
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So are you for the argument that drugs should be legalized as well? Legalize suicide? Where do we ascertain that these activities are wrong?

So far the criteria that had been posted for weather for not something should be legal is:

ChristineES said:
A person shouldn't critique anyone else's lifestyle unless it's his or her own or it effects him or her in some way. Otherwise, live and let live.
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I can list hundreds of items that you and others would find reprehensible. Where do YOU draw the line? Consent? There are plenty of things people can do which our society has deemed immoral or socially unacceptable.

Forcing religion's or businesses to change their beliefs isn't right. If they want social contracts for the same rights as heterosexuals, I'm fine with that. But don't force to change their beliefs. The same way I'm not forcing you to abandon yours.
 
Deut 13:1

Deut 13:1

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otokage007 said:
What do all those things have to do with homosexuality? Is having sex with men similar to rape, murder or pedophilia in any particular way?
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You made the image that if it was something that HaShem allowed to happen it must be okay. I simply took your argument and plugged in other more socially unacceptable crimes.
 
waitasec

waitasec

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Mr. Skittles said:
The reason I titled this is because there appears to be. a rushed to judgment in categorizing someone as "homophobic" or "anti-semitic." I use the concept of anti-semitism because due to what I read from blogs from Jewish websites, articles, and plain ole' conversation, there appears to be a rush to judgment on an individual(s) critique on Israel and that being labeled as anti-semitic. Similarly, if someone does not believe in homosexuality somehow they are labeled as having an irrational fear thus bring called "homophobic." For example back in 2008-2009 in west hollywood an owner of a popular resturant which gay patrons attended frequently apparently supported the initiative of not allowing gays to marry. Some how gay patrons caught wind of it and protested outside. Some threw objects at the building hitting patrons inside (I assume people were on an outside patio). This resulted in a loss of business from gay customers. Now, whatever this owner did was his/her personal business but I sense that if one does not agree with accepting homosexuality they are labeled homophobic. Similarly if someone criticize Israel they are somehow anti-semitic.
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what do you mean by, does not believe in homosexuality?
that it exists?


Now from personal beliefs do I agree with homosexual lifestyle? Not entirely.
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who's asking you to live a homosexual lifestyle?

The reason why is because of personal experiences. I used to be hit on by gay men and transsexuals and apparently there is this idea that all straight men are inhetently gay and its not gay if 1) You don't tell anyone and 2) If the transsexual considers himself a female its not being gay or having gay tendencies. Now does me criticizing this as a problem in the gay community label me as a homophobe? Personally I don't think so but many straight guys go through this so my thing is there should be a dialogue and some form of understanding between the communities as to what is considered hateful or constructive criticism.
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women have been putting up with that crap for a long long time...
so maybe you should ask women how they feel when they are being objectified by men. it seems to me if women were to apply your logic, women do not agree with the heterosexual lifestyle, right?

there you go with the generalizations again
:rolleyes:
 
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