God's Kingdom

RE: the paradise and hell after death are in the spiritual world of God.

Jesus went to hell right after death. The Bible's hell [sheol] is the common grave of mankind until everybody in hell is 'delivered up' [resurrected up] out of the Bible's temporary hell.
Then emptied-out biblical hell is cast vacant into a symbolic 'second death'.
- Acts 2 vs 27,31,32; Rev. 20 vs 13,14; 1 v 18.

Jesus taught the dead are in a sleep-like state [John 11 vs 11-14]
Jesus would have learned that sleep-like state from the Hebrew OT Scriptures.
Scriptures such Psalms: 6 v 5; 13 v 3; 115 v 17; 146 v 4
Also, Ecclesiastes 9 v 5 which teaches the dead know nothing.

The Bible's judgment day is Jesus thousand-year long Day of Judgement, or Jesus millennial-long day of reigning over earth in justice.

Satan will be confined or abyssed for that 1000-year period allowing resurrected mankind [such as all those who died before Jesus died -John 3 v 13] to be judged on what they do 'after' they are resurrected. Practicing righteousness will lead to a righteous judgment not an adverse judgment.
Those who reject Satan after he is released at the end of the thousand years, will enjoy life on earth forever in perfect health and happiness.

We now stand at the threshold of Jesus 1000-year reign over earth. A 'time of separation' is coming upon the nations [Matthew 25 vs 31,32] and those of us who Jesus judges as righteous 'sheep' can remain alive on earth and keep right on living right into Jesus messianic 1000-year reign over earth with the prospect or gaining everlasting life right here on a paradisaic earth forever.

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Can you post said prophesies?

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Here are just a few of why I follow Jesus… (Not even counting the Old Testament’s Prophecies about other things)…now I'm aware Jews and Muslims would disagree with me...but (so-be-it)....

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif]Born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:21-23)
[/FONT][FONT=Arial, serif]A descendant of Abraham (Genesis 12:1-3; 22:18; Matthew 1:1; Galatians 3:16) [/FONT]

• [FONT=Arial, serif]Of the tribe of Judah (Genesis 49:10; Luke 3:23, 33; Hebrews 7:14) [/FONT]
• [FONT=Arial, serif]Of the house of David (2 Samuel 7:12-16; Matthew 1:1) [/FONT]
• [FONT=Arial, serif]Born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2, Matthew 2:1; Luke 2:4-7) [/FONT]
• [FONT=Arial, serif]Taken to Egypt (Hosea 11:1; Matthew 2:14-15) [/FONT]
• [FONT=Arial, serif]Herod´s killing of the infants (Jeremiah 31:15; Matthew 2:16-18) [/FONT]
• [FONT=Arial, serif]Anointed by the Holy Spirit (Isaiah 11:2; Matthew 3:16-17) [/FONT]
• [FONT=Arial, serif]Heralded by the messenger of the Lord (John the Baptist) (Isaiah 40:3-5; Malachi 3:1; Matthew 3:1-3) [/FONT]
• [FONT=Arial, serif]Would perform miracles (Isaiah 35:5-6; Matthew 9:35) [/FONT]
• [FONT=Arial, serif]Would preach good news (Isaiah 61:1; Luke 4:14-21) [/FONT]
• [FONT=Arial, serif]Would minister in Galilee (Isaiah 9:1; Matthew 4:12-16) [/FONT]
• [FONT=Arial, serif]Would cleanse the Temple (Malachi 3:1; Matthew 21:12-13) [/FONT]
• [FONT=Arial, serif]Would first present Himself as King 173,880 days from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25; Matthew 21:4-11) [/FONT]
• [FONT=Arial, serif]Would enter Jerusalem as a king on a donkey (Zechariah 9:9; Matthew 21:4-9) [/FONT]
• [FONT=Arial, serif]Would be rejected by Jews (Psalm 118:22; I Peter 2:7) [/FONT]
• [FONT=Arial, serif]Die a humiliating death (Psalm 22; Isaiah 53) involving:
  - rejection (Isaiah 53:3; John 1:10-11; 7:5,48)
  - betrayal by a friend (Psalm 41:9; Luke 22:3-4; John 13:18)
  - sold for 30 pieces of silver (Zechariah 11:12; Matthew 26:14-15)
  - silence before His accusers (Isaiah 53:7; Matthew 27:12-14)
  - being mocked (Psalm 22: 7-8; Matthew 27:31)
  - beaten (Isaiah 52:14; Matthew 27:26)
  - spit upon (Isaiah 50:6; Matthew 27:30)
  - piercing His hands and feet (Psalm 22:16; Matthew 27:31)
  - being crucified with thieves (Isaiah 53:12; Matthew 27:38)
  - praying for His persecutors (Isaiah 53:12; Luke 23:34)
  - piercing His side (Zechariah 12:10; John 19:34)
  - given gall and vinegar to drink (Psalm 69:21, Matthew 27:34, Luke 23:36)
  - no broken bones (Psalm 34:20; John 19:32-36)
  - buried in a rich man´s tomb (Isaiah 53:9; Matthew 27:57-60)
  - casting lots for His garments (Psalm 22:18; John 19:23-24) [/FONT]
• [FONT=Arial, serif]Would rise from the dead!! (Psalm 16:10; Mark 16:6; Acts 2:31) [/FONT]
• [FONT=Arial, serif]Ascend into Heaven (Psalm 68:18; Acts 1:9) [/FONT]
• [FONT=Arial, serif]Would sit down at the right hand of God (Psalm 110:1; Hebrews 1:3) [/FONT]

Acts 2 v 31 does Not say Jesus would rise from the dead, but that he would not be left in hell [sheol]
Acts 2 v 32 says this Jesus has God raised up or God resurrected Jesus. So does Acts 3 v 15 B; Col. 2 v 12 B

URAVIP2ME said:

Acts 2 v 31 does Not say Jesus would rise from the dead, but that he would not be left in hell [sheol]
Acts 2 v 32 says this Jesus has God raised up or God resurrected Jesus. So does Acts 3 v 15 B; Col. 2 v 12 B

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Jesus never went to Hell...He went to (Abraham's Bosom/Paradise)...and released the saved held captive. His 'train' took them to Heaven Ephesians 4:8.

For clarity and further discussion....
Heaven and hell are of the mind and spirit?...or the body?

I would say...mind and spirit.

The physical portion of us will lay in the grave and goes no further.

Thief said:

For clarity and further discussion....
Heaven and hell are of the mind and spirit?...or the body?

I would say...mind and spirit.

The physical portion of us will lay in the grave and goes no further.

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I know of no 'religions' that teach your opinions. Almost all religious peoples believe in an afterlife. I think it would be a mighty pitiful existence (to me)...to just believe that I lay in the dirt and rot...with no soul to continue on.

As you 'might' say...that is the reason "people 'invented' religions"....

Green Kepi said:

I know of no 'religions' that teach your opinions. Almost all religious peoples believe in an afterlife. I think it would be a mighty pitiful existence (to me)...to just believe that I lay in the dirt and rot...with no soul to continue on.

As you 'might' say...that is the reason "people 'invented' religions"....

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Note my banner.
I have no religion, congregation, or ritual.

And yes...a pity it would be....
To stand up from the dust and see what could have been....
Only to find heaven is not interested.

As we stand before heaven we have everything to gain...and everything to lose.

Green Kepi said:

I know of no 'religions' that teach your opinions. Almost all religious peoples believe in an afterlife. I think it would be a mighty pitiful existence (to me)...to just believe that I lay in the dirt and rot...with no soul to continue on.

As you 'might' say...that is the reason "people 'invented' religions"....

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The truthful religion is never invented by anybody; it is always revealed by the one true attributive creator God, in my opinion.

The one true attributive creator God is the eternal ruler/controlled of the Universe. My religion says:


[2:108] Dost thou not know that the kingdom of the heavens and the earth belongs to Allah alone? And there is no protector or helper for you beside Allah.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Green Kepi said:

Jesus never went to Hell...He went to (Abraham's Bosom/Paradise)...and released the saved held captive. His 'train' took them to Heaven Ephesians 4:8.

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Jesus did not ascend to heaven until 40 days after his resurrection.- Acts 1 v 9

True, Jesus did not go the the 'non-biblical pagan religious myth hell', but Jesus according to Scripture did go to the Bible's hell for days until God resurrected Jesus out of hell. Resurrected Jesus out of the Bible's hell [sheol] the common grave of mankind where the dead sleep in death's sleep until resurrected. -Acts 2 vs 27, 31,32; Psalm 16 v 10.

That is why Jesus taught the dead are in a sleep-like state at John 11 vs 11-14.
Jesus being well educated in the Hebrew Scriptures knew the Psalms and that the Psalms teach the dead are in a sleeping condition. Psalms 6v5;13v3;115v17;146v4
Jesus also knew the writings of King Solomon that teach the dead know nothing at Ecclesiastes 9 v 5. Even the prophet Daniel believed the dead sleep- Dan. 12 vs 2,13

Since Abraham [John 3 v 13] died before Jesus died then Abraham is still asleep in the common grave [biblical hell] and he will have an earthly resurrection during Jesus 1000-year reign over earth- Hebrews 11 vs 13,39

URAVIP2ME said:

Jesus did not ascend to heaven until 40 days after his resurrection.- Acts 1 v 9

True, Jesus did not go the the 'non-biblical pagan religious myth hell', but Jesus according to Scripture did go to the Bible's hell for days until God resurrected Jesus out of hell. Resurrected Jesus out of the Bible's hell [sheol] the common grave of mankind where the dead sleep in death's sleep until resurrected. -Acts 2 vs 27, 31,32; Psalm 16 v 10.

That is why Jesus taught the dead are in a sleep-like state at John 11 vs 11-14.
Jesus being well educated in the Hebrew Scriptures knew the Psalms and that the Psalms teach the dead are in a sleeping condition. Psalms 6v5;13v3;115v17;146v4
Jesus also knew the writings of King Solomon that teach the dead know nothing at Ecclesiastes 9 v 5. Even the prophet Daniel believed the dead sleep- Dan. 12 vs 2,13

Since Abraham [John 3 v 13] died before Jesus died then Abraham is still asleep in the common grave [biblical hell] and he will have an earthly resurrection during Jesus 1000-year reign over earth- Hebrews 11 vs 13,39

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I think Acts is wrong. Jesus did not ascend to heaven alive; he did not die on the Cross in the first place so there is no question of his ascending to heaven alive after 40 days or so.

starlite said:

Daniel 2:44 makes reference to God's kingdom...it also mentions other kingdoms. So what is God's kingdom?

New World Translation:
“And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;

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I'll explain a very nutshell version.

God's Kingdom is what the people were given (in part) after they were led out of Egypt and established as a sovereign nation in the 12 tribes of Israel. Jehovah was the King of those people, like a Husband to a Bride. Unfortunately, the Bride committed adultery and was "stoned to death" by way of being removed from her land and scattered among the Gentiles like bits and pieces of a decomposing body.

That Mosaic Covenant (marriage) between Jehovah and Israel also follows the same marriage law that the people of Israel were to follow. In a nutshell, God made use of the people of Israel to exemplify all aspects of His Law. We can look at what God has done at a collective level to see a pattern or a template of how things will also go for us as individuals.

One aspect of law that God had to deal with is a husband may not receive a wife that has been put away from him due to her iniquity. Nor may any other man receive that woman unless he too was willing to be taken in as an adulterer. But, once the man she was married to died, she was freed from the law of her husband and she could remarry another man.

So, if Jehovah wants to enter into a new covenant with His former Bride and have Her as His Bride again, He first must die in order to make her eligible for remarriage. This is why Jesus came as the Christ so that he could function as Jehovah's tabernacle in the flesh and be put to death in order to satisfy this aspect of law. By so doing, the people of Israel could then be able to be remarried to God again.

There is quite a bit more I can say to expand upon this and to explain why yet another 2000 years have gone by without the Kingdom of God yet being established as it was anciently but I'll cut to the chase in order to just answer your question.

Jesus said that the Kingdom was the Father's Kingdom. He also told his disciples that it wasn't for them to know when the Father's Kingdom would come. The Gospel Jesus gave them was to create a worldwide movement that would bear the good news that the Kingdom of the Father was coming at a future time and that everyone needed to prepare for.

Jesus also gave warnings (Luke 12). If the people were not watching properly upon His return when the time for the Kingdom came and if they rejected the "meat" that His servants would bring, etc. in order to establish that Kingdom, instead of returning openly and to the salvation of the people as they had hoped, He would return as if He were a thief in the night. Those who beat His servants and were slothful would be beaten with many stripes.

So, the Father's Kingdom is a literal Kingdom that shall eventually be setup just as the ancient Kingdom of Israel was setup as a sovereign nation. To some extent the State of Israel is a fulfillment (in part) of this, but there is also the punative provisions of the Mosaic Covenant that have to fully play out before the State of Israel is cleansed and sanctified and worthy to be remarried to her God.

The State of Israel exists today only as a national group in God's eyes.
Jesus taught the Jewish 'temple' [religious House of Worship] was abandoned at Matthew 23 v 38

Since Pentecost the 'Israel of God' is the Christian congregation.
It is a 'spiritual nation' Not a fleshly nation surrounded by boundaries.
1st Peter 2 vs 5,9; Galatians 4 v 26

People out of all nations can comprise 'Spiritual Israel'.- Romans 2 vs 28,29; Rev. chapter 7.
Spiritual Israel which, unlike national Israel, has No borders on earth.

Jesus bride is spiritual Israel Not fleshly Israel.- Rev. 14 vs 1-4

starlite said:

Daniel 2:44 makes reference to God's kingdom...it also mentions other kingdoms. So what is God's kingdom?

New World Translation:
44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;

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Democracies.

Awoon said:

Democracies.

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When Adam disobeyed God, Adam took the law out of God's hands and placed the law into his own hands by setting up 'people rule' as superior to 'God Rule' [Theocracy]

Not today's modern-day definition of Theocracy being defined as 'clergy rule' or 'rule by clergy class', but the Theocracy that the prophet Daniel believed in.
That Theocracy is the kingdom government [the symbolic 'stone' of Daniel 2 vs 34,35,45]
in which Jesus is the crowned king of God's theocratic kingdom or government.
- Daniel 7 vs 13,14 see also Isaiah 9 v 7

God transfered it to Adam and you as Adam dont want the resposibility of it.

You just wanna blame yourself Adam.

God's kingdom is everywhere; in Israel and out of it everywhere.
This is what my religion tells me:


[2:108] Dost thou not know that the kingdom of the heavens and the earth belongs to Allah* alone? And there is no protector or helper for you beside Allah*.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

* or Yahweh or Ahura Mazda or Brahman or Waheguru etc.; all good names of Him.

URAVIP2ME said:

The State of Israel exists today only as a national group in God's eyes.
Jesus taught the Jewish 'temple' [religious House of Worship] was abandoned at Matthew 23 v 38

Since Pentecost the 'Israel of God' is the Christian congregation.
It is a 'spiritual nation' Not a fleshly nation surrounded by boundaries.
1st Peter 2 vs 5,9; Galatians 4 v 26

People out of all nations can comprise 'Spiritual Israel'.- Romans 2 vs 28,29; Rev. chapter 7.
Spiritual Israel which, unlike national Israel, has No borders on earth.

Jesus bride is spiritual Israel Not fleshly Israel.- Rev. 14 vs 1-4

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You seem to be denying that the Kingdom shall be resurrected physically and actually have a physical body again.

I'll expand a little on what I said earlier. Israel was split into two pieces just prior to being "stoned to death". The northern kingdom and the southern kingdom were put under separate terms of judgment. The southern kingdom had a much shorter period of judgment than the northern kingdom did. By the time Jesus came onto the scene the judgment against the southern kingdom had expired and the Jews had physically gathered back to their lands and were, to a degree, eligible to receive a God ordained King again and become a sovereign political entity instead of a Roman vassal state. The Jews were correct to look for a political Messiah, but they also needed to look for a spiritual Messiah as well. However, we learn that a special provision was added to the judgment the southern kingdom would receive. Because they went and committed adultery even after seeing the northern kingdom commit adultry and be judged for it, it was said that the southern kingdom would be given over to also suffer the judgment of the northern kingdom as well as their own judgment. Thus, the Jews were to be given a double dosage of judgment. So, they are now going to participate in tandem with their kinfolk of the northern kingdom who have been gathered upon the isles of the sea withersoever the Lord has driven them. The major gathering place of the people of the northern kingdom is America. This is why there is such a special tie between the USA and the State of Israel. They are the resurrected bodies of the northern and southern kingdoms of Israel respectively. And, they are about to both drink of the cup of punishment to fulfill the punative terms of having broken the Mosaic Covenant.

If you look carefully at Leviticus 26:23-25 you can see that at the end of the time of dispersion, which is multiplied by 7x, they are gathered back together in their lands and cities and then they are delivered over into the hands of their enemy. Because they walked contrary to their God, He shall for a time walk contrary to them and become their adversary. This is why America and the State of Israel are being usurped by the powers of our adversary. It is all part of the fine print in the Mosaic Covenant.

So, back to your point about the Gentiles becomming God's new Bride (Israel). This actually was not so at that time. The lost sheep of Israel from the northern kingdom were scattered and among the Gentiles and they were still under judgment. Their period of judgment was for 2,730 years (390x7). The only thing they received was the "Good News" that in a time future they could again be received in marriage when the Bridegroom came.

Therefore, it is fallacy to invent the notion that a wedding has already happened when no such wedding has taken place yet, at least so far as orthodox Christianity is concerned. The whole point of Christianity is to help sleeping Israel (who has forgotten her true identity) to prepare herself and to make herself ready for when her Husband comes for her.

But, she first must be gathered and reclaim her identity and yet be turned over to the hand of her enemy for a time before she is able to be cleansed, sanctified and redeemed. To the extent that orthodox Christianity jumps the gun and presupposes they already are remarried to God as His bride, they are unaware of how it is really supposed to happen and they will miss out in realizing their hoped for marriage.

refesym said:

Gods kingdom is in our hearts. Hope someone will agree.

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His kingdom is everywhere; in our hearts and around us.

paarsurrey said:

His kingdom is everywhere; in our hearts and around us.

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Is Washington, D.C. everywhere; In our hearts and around us?
Or rather does Washington have a set location.

The heavenly kingdom of God has a set heavenly location.

According to Daniel [ 2 vs 34,35, 45 ] God's kingdom starts out as a stone [small meaning size of a stone], then the 'stone' becomes in size a 'great mountain' or mountain-like organization or Kingdom. Jesus is the crowned king of God's kingdom which will govern over all of earth for a thousand years.
-Rev. 20 v 6; Psalm 72 v 8; Isaiah 9 v 7; Daniel 7 vs 13,14; 2 v 44

Surely the kingdom was Not in the hearts of Jesus' enemies the Pharisees ?
But Jesus, as king designate, was among them within their midsts.
-Luke 17 vs 20,21. It is Not until verse 22 that Jesus addresses his disciples.
Jesus explains at Luke 19 vs 11-15 that the kingdom would not instantly or immediately appear.
Jesus, as the nobleman, had to first go away to a far country [heaven] and then return later in kingdom glory.- Matthew 25 vs 31,32.