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Picking holes in the Nativity Scene

Solon

Active Member
Gaping hole num 1: There is no recorded instance in the Roman records of any census being carried out the at alleged time of the birth of Jesus.

Fact: No such Census took place. Probabalt scenario, Matthaew invented the story in order to place Jesus in Bethlehem to give credibity of Micah's prophecy, or at to least his fanciful imagination.

More gaping holes to come !

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Solon

Active Member
Yes, and that evidence is lack of evidence. There was no such census in the early years of Augustus; historical fact, cannot be refuted. There is no mention in any extant Roman annals.

Solon
 

Fluffy

A fool
Yes, and that evidence is lack of evidence. There was no such census in the early years of Augustus; historical fact, cannot be refuted. There is no mention in any extant Roman annals.
Hmmm a pity. That isn't good enough for me, I'm afraid. I will agree that there is no such mention of a census in the Roman annals that have survived and that this constitutes a historical fact.

Most Christians do not claim that the Bible is historical fact in the sense that it conforms to the discipline, merely that they believe it is giving an accurate account of history and a lack of supporting evidence is only enough to knock an assumed historical "fact" not a religious belief that happens to involve history.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
From:- http://www.religioustolerance.org/xmas_date.htm
Luke 2:1-4 mentions that Jesus' birth occurred during the time that Caesar Augustus had ordered all of the known world to be taxed. Luke said that every person had to return to the city of his ancestors, to be registered and taxed. Joseph went to Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David. But this universal census and tax never actually happened. The Jewish historian Josephus wrote a very complete history of the Jews in Palestine. He does mention a census which was conducted in Judea in 6 CE. But this was only a local census, not one that would enable "all the world to be taxed." Its purpose was to count the male population so that they could be taxed at a later time. And it triggered a major uprising among the Jews, who regarded a census as against scripture and the will of God. He does not refer to an earlier census and poll tax.
At the time of Jesus' birth, the Jews were still subject to King Herod. Since Palestine was a client kingdom of Rome, only the king had powers of taxation in the land. 2 It was only in areas that were operated under direct Roman rule that Caesar Augustus could have taxed the citizens directly. There is no record of a mass migration of adults to their ancestral cities in order to be registered. It would have been totally impractical to hold a census in this way. The primitive transportation systems of the Roman Empire would have been totally inadequate to handle the flow of people. The entire empire would be largely shut down for many months while people were returning to their home towns. Even today, with airplanes, trains, busses and automobiles, it would not be practical to hold a census in this manner.
 
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