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Chick-fil-A to be denied zoning permit in Chicago

Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
The election is going to be close, this smooth move might cost him the presidency
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I am curious about that. The Republicans are right that most people, who in reality are moderates, don't really care enough about gay, don't care enough about gay marriage to make it an election priority. IMO, the effect of this will be to maybe win a few votes from gay Republicans who may feel disenfranchised from all of the Republican candidates, except for Ron Paul, signing NOM's marriage pledge, as well as other more publicized blatant discrimination. And because moderates and independents tend to make elections about the economy, it may be they see the gesture (if they are even aware of it) as nothing more than an ongoing ideological war between the two parties.
 
The Sum of Awe

The Sum of Awe

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9-10ths_Penguin said:
Do you think that everybody bases their vote on just one issue?

Do you think that the cause of gay rights would have been better supported by voting for McCain (or by not voting at all)?

What you're asking makes no sense. Effectively, you're saying that if a person chooses and imperfect option when nothing better is available, then it's "hypocritical" for them to choose the best option in some other case when the decision is more clear. This makes no sense.
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There's no better option available for Chick A Fil either, why not let him have his opinions.
 
Apex

Apex

Somewhere Around Nothing
9-10ths_Penguin said:
A lot of people came out to these events, too:
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Yes, but there are some critical differences. Segregation was much more visible to the every day public. Gay marriage, not so much. It is not as if gays are universally refused service at Chick-fil-A.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
The Sum of Awe said:
There's no better option available for Chick A Fil either, why not let him have his opinions.
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Let's break this down again:

In the last election, electing Obama wouldn't result in same-sex marriage being legal, but it might result in a moderate improvement in gay rights and probably wouldn't have hurt the cause of gay rights. OTOH, a vote for McCain probably would have hurt gay rights somewhat.

When deciding where to buy your lunch, going to Chick-fil-A aids a number of causes that do serious harm to gay rights. OTOH, going to any number of other places doesn't hurt gay rights, and going to a few places might actually help them a little.

Apples and oranges.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Apex said:
Yes, but there are some critical differences. Segregation was much more visible to the every day public. Gay marriage, not so much. It is not as if gays are universally refused service at Chick-fil-A.
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I don't see how any of this is relevant to the point I was trying to make: that on other issues, history has shown us that the mere fact that a cause has lots of supporters right now isn't any sort of guarantee that the cause will be successful in the long term (or the short term, for that matter).
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Interesting point raised by an image on Facebook:

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While I know plenty of Christians who don't fit this mold, more and more I'm seeing Christianity being more a matter of tribal identification than actually following the teachings of Jesus.
 
MysticSang'ha

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Reverend Rick said:
I'm sorry. It was a dumb move. Obama already had the gay vote in his pocket. What where they going to do, vote republican?

Meanwhile religious blacks that voted for him last time may vote republican or more likely not vote at all this time.

The election is going to be close, this smooth move might cost him the presidency
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You're disagreeing with me? Well.....Oh yeah? Well I'm calling for a boycott on your business.

Just kidding. :p
 
Chisti

Chisti

Active Member
9-10ths_Penguin said:
Interesting point raised by an image on Facebook:

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While I know plenty of Christians who don't fit this mold, more and more I'm seeing Christianity being more a matter of tribal identification than actually following the teachings of Jesus.
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And you're clamoring for freedom ... for these people?
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Chisti said:
And you're clamoring for freedom ... for these people?
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Yes. As I said before, freedom of speech only really matters when the speech is objectionable to someone.

I respond to these people by speaking out against them, not by tying to silence them.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
9-10ths_Penguin said:
Yes. As I said before, freedom of speech only really matters when the speech is objectionable to someone.
I respond to these people by speaking out against them, not by tying to silence them.
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I violently disagree! I'm coming around to Chisti's way of thinking, because really, folks...humanity is a mess, & the only solution is a strong
government which isn't afraid to break a few knuckles to fix us. I propose that businesses be allowed to open only if the owners & workers
support with word & dollar my causes: small gov't, low taxes, gun rights, no foreign adventurism, loser-pays tort reform,& fine landscaping.
And any existing businesses who don't support my progressive goals, will be shut down. All public discourse shall support these goals too...
...any backslider who says otherwise will lose freedom of speech. People will be good because they'll fear punishment for not being good.
 
The Sum of Awe

The Sum of Awe

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Revoltingest said:
I violently disagree! I'm coming around to Chisti's way of thinking, because really, folks...humanity is a mess, & the only solution is a strong
government which isn't afraid to break a few knuckles to fix us. I propose that businesses be allowed to open only if the owners & workers
support with word & dollar my causes: small gov't, low taxes, gun rights, no foreign adventurism, loser-pays tort reform,& fine landscaping.
And any existing businesses who don't support my progressive goals, will be shut down. All public discourse shall support these goals too...
...any backslider who says otherwise will lose freedom of speech. People will be good because they'll fear punishment for not being good.
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I found a post where I disagree with you on :cover:

I'd say, part of being a small government is a government that doesn't break a few knuckles on us :D
 
Apex

Apex

Somewhere Around Nothing
I have a question for everyone who supports publicly protesting Chick-fil-A:

Right now, in this economy and job market, is it truly ethical to publicly protest these franchises in an effort to make them go out of business?

Taking into account, the company itself has no discrimination policy, no laws have been broken, the employees will serve anyone and some are even gay themselves. By protesting them, you are telling these employees that you do not think they deserve to hold the current job they have, even though they have done nothing wrong. It is true you can say they can just go find another job, but is it really that easy right now?
 
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