Unfulfilled Prophecies in the Bible

Yasin

I found that through reading the Bible, there were prophecies that that were not being fulfilled, i will give a example in order to start off,

A Empty Threat,

But of the tree of the Knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Genesis 2:17

Contradicted by:

And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. Genesis 5:5

Interesting, in the Bible "in the day" does not mean "that very day"

And further, according to the Bible the Satan is more accurate then God himself:

And the serpent (Satan) said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die.
Genesis 3:4

Any comments?
Respectively, :bounce Yasin

Well, some have postulated the some prophcies did occur, but this is a matter of interpretation, I like to call it prophecy after the event, happens all the time. Of some difficulty to Christians is Jesus' promise to return within a generation, clearly, he did not. And so, theologians have tried to explain this away by playing around with what time means to God. Already 2000 years have floated by, and no second coming, which is not much of a suprise to me.

S

I do not see Gods warning to Adam as an empty threat.

It tells us in 2 Peter 3. 8, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."(KJV)

"However, let this one fact not be escaping your notice,beloved ones,that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day."(NWT)

So when Adam died at 930 years, then it was within Gods day of one thousand years.

That is true my friend for satan lied to them but if you think about we are always dieng to a ripe old age or how ever because we sure are not geting younger are we?

There is more than one type of death. There is temperal death(death of the physical body) and spiritual death. Adam was in the presence of God the Father in the Garden of Eden. They walked and talked together. When Adam and Eve partook of the fruit they died spiritualy, not temperally, because they were cast from the presence of God. So, that prophecy is perfectly accurate.

Yasin said:

I found that through reading the Bible, there were prophecies that that were not being fulfilled, i will give a example in order to start off,

A Empty Threat,

But of the tree of the Knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Genesis 2:17

Contradicted by:

And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. Genesis 5:5

Interesting, in the Bible "in the day" does not mean "that very day"

And further, according to the Bible the Satan is more accurate then God himself:

And the serpent (Satan) said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die.
Genesis 3:4

Any comments?
Respectively, :bounce Yasin

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Here's the problem. You're reading literally what was figurative.

1. The claim is figurative in the sense of time. Adam and Eve were eternal creatures until eating of the forbidden fruit. At that time they became subject to death. The verse that you claim refutes the "threat" actually fulfills it. The latter part of the verse states, "then he died." Adam would not have died at all had he not taken of the fruit.

2. After partaking of the fruit, the fellowship that Adam and Eve had with God was broken, amounting to spiritual death. Romans tells us that "the wages of sin is death." If taken literally, we should all die at the first sign of sin. However, the verse refers to spiritual death. We are all separated from God, and are, therefore, spiritually dead. That life is only restored through the absolution of our sin.

3. Satan was not more accurate than God, only more scheming. He knew that Adam and Eve would not immediately physically die, but he certainly knew that breaking God's command would result in a broken fellowship, and once one has been in the immediate presence of God, to suddenly be faced with never again having that degree of fellowship must be a type of death.

There ya' go.

Brandon

Oh that's handy. Where good sense makes us realize that parts of the Bible are absurd, such as the dying from eating of the fruit, then that part is figurative. Funny how literal the bible used to be, but how as science, logic and reasoning are applied, more and more of it becomes figurative.

I don't recall book and verse, but in Genesis in the story of the flood the last verse of that chapter says something to the effect of men only living to be 120 years old after that. The very next chapter makes several references to people who were born after the flood but lived well beyond 120 years of age. And this is on the same page of text.

The bible is so rife with self contradictions that it is baffling that anyone who reads it with a critical, analytical eye could come to the conclusion that it is perfectly and divinely inspired.

And Of A Happy Ending, there is no mention in Genesis of the serpent being Satan, or being possessed by Satan or any mention of Satan at all. It merely says that the serpent, being more clever than the other animals . . . .

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Suzy said:

I do not see Gods warning to Adam as an empty threat.

It tells us in 2 Peter 3. 8, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."(KJV)

"However, let this one fact not be escaping your notice,beloved ones,that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day."(NWT)

So when Adam died at 930 years, then it was within Gods day of one thousand years.

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Likewise, when the Lord told the Hebrews to rest on the seventh day, he meant they should take every seventh millenium off. Also, Jonah was actually three thousand years in the belly of the great fish, and Jesus will rise from the dead during the third millenium after his death. Once you understand how God measures time, it really puts a new light on the Bible.

MdmSzdWhtGuy said:

Funny how literal the bible used to be, but how as science, logic and reasoning are applied, more and more of it becomes figurative.

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MdmSzdWhtGuy, why do you keep saying this? Early Christendom never held to ONE style of interpretation. Let me repeat it again....NEVER did it hold to one style interpretation. If you are truly interested in finding this out for yourself you can pull up early Christian classics and read for yourself. So this idea of stauch science, logic, and reasoning debunking religion because of it's literalistic style is inaccurate.

~Victor

MdmSzdWhtGuy said:

Oh that's handy. Where good sense makes us realize that parts of the Bible are absurd, such as the dying from eating of the fruit, then that part is figurative. Funny how literal the bible used to be, but how as science, logic and reasoning are applied, more and more of it becomes figurative.

I don't recall book and verse, but in Genesis in the story of the flood the last verse of that chapter says something to the effect of men only living to be 120 years old after that. The very next chapter makes several references to people who were born after the flood but lived well beyond 120 years of age. And this is on the same page of text.

The bible is so rife with self contradictions that it is baffling that anyone who reads it with a critical, analytical eye could come to the conclusion that it is perfectly and divinely inspired.

And Of A Happy Ending, there is no mention in Genesis of the serpent being Satan, or being possessed by Satan or any mention of Satan at all. It merely says that the serpent, being more clever than the other animals . . . .

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Dude, I'm feelin' some animosity there. Chill, just be calm.

I'm sorry you feel the way you do about the literalistic nature of biblical interpretation. For the most part, Victor is right, no one style of interpretation has ever been staunchly clung to. Unfortunately for you that bit about figurative language being used to denote spiritual death as well as then being subject to physical death is quite true and has been held for centuries as a correct interpretation of "you shall surely die." You see, if you want to get REALLY technical about it, the Hebrew is correctly rendered "you shall surely be subject to death." That puts quite a different light on the reading, huh?

Brandon

Hey Medium Sized White Guy,

If the Bible really is so "rife" with self contradictions, why don't you point them out to correct those of us who are so gullibly misguided by its worthless pages. I would really like to know where it is the Bible is so self-contradicting. And to think, I've been so dense as to count most of those accounts you refer to as self-clarification.

Brandon

If the Bible really is so "rife" with self contradictions, why don't you point them out to correct those of us who are so gullibly misguided by its worthless pages.

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OK. How many soldiers did Joab tell David he had?

What color was Jesus's robe?

How did Judas die?

JerryL said:

OK. How many soldiers did Joab tell David he had?

What color was Jesus's robe?

How did Judas die?

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And I thought you were going to come up with something truly subversive.

These issues are resolved when we look at the Bible as a compilation rather than a singularly composed unit. The differences you mentioned are all records from different books written during different historical periods.

Historical works will, by nature, hold varying accounts of events. This has no bearing on the theological nature of the Bible, nor does it mar the Bible's credibility.


That probably doesn't satisfy your claim, but that's what I've got on the fly.

Brandon

Historical works will, by nature, hold varying accounts of events. This has no bearing on the theological nature of the Bible, nor does it mar the Bible's credibility.

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So you admit that the Bible is wrong, but assert that this wrongness doesn't effect its credability?

"wrong but credible"... an interesting position.

Suzy said:

I do not see Gods warning to Adam as an empty threat.

It tells us in 2 Peter 3. 8, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."(KJV)

"However, let this one fact not be escaping your notice,beloved ones,that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day."(NWT)

So when Adam died at 930 years, then it was within Gods day of one thousand years.

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At first, i thought it was a good argument, but mathematically this is incorrect;
930 does not equal to a thousand.
If we think literally can God count?
Did he forget that he (Adam pbuh) had still 70 years left of his life?
and thus still makes it a unfulfilled prophecy in the Bible.

Respectively, Yasin:bounce

But of the tree of the Knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Genesis 2:17

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I believe that Adam and Eve spiritually died that day, and messed things up for the rest of us ( although someone probably would have eaten off that tree eventually). Luckily, there is a way we as Christians can avoid that spiritual death- by accepting Jesus and being baptized.

Is this the only contradiction you could come up with?

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So you admit that the Bible is wrong, but assert that this wrongness doesn't effect its credability?

"wrong but credible"... an interesting position.

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You didn't get what I was saying. Quite twisting my words. I said that differing books containing history within the Bible contain slightly differing accounts. Do you discredit any American history writers just because they disagree about minor points with British ones? No. The truth behind the Bible is theological truth. Now, the books of the Bible may certainly be trusted as historically accurate on a macro scale, but to pinpoint
exactly how many troups a person has or the color of one person's robe is demanding of the text a level of acute accuracy that it does not claim for itself. The Bible is not wrong, it is simply that two authors writing down historical information put down two slightly varying accounts.

The point is in all of the instances you mentioned above that the larger story be told, not all of its minute details. Judas killed himself at Akel Dama, regardless of method; Jesus wore a robe, regardless of color.

Brandon

Christiangirl0909 said:

I believe that Adam and Eve spiritually died that day, and messed things up for the rest of us ( although someone probably would have eaten off that tree eventually). Luckily, there is a way we as Christians can avoid that spiritual death- by accepting Jesus and being baptized.

Is this the only contradiction you could come up with?

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Christiangirl0909,

I believe, your believe has to be in accordance with your scripture, spiritual death, this is your own interpretation. The topic is unfulfilled prophecies in the Bible not contradictions.
Baptized by the Holy Ghost? Who is the Holy Ghost?

Respectively, Yasin:bounce

Yasin said:

At first, i thought it was a good argument, but mathematically this is incorrect;
930 does not equal to a thousand.
If we think literally can God count?
Did he forget that he (Adam pbuh) had still 70 years left of his life?
and thus still makes it a unfulfilled prophecy in the Bible.

Respectively, Yasin:bounce

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Hello again.

I can see what you are saying but, the scripture says "in the day" it doesnt say "at the very end of the day" Adam did die within that thousand years so the phrophecy did come true.

For an example, Imagine that I would be sending you a parcel and I said it would definatly arrive with you on Wednesday. It wouldnt matter if the parcel arrived at 8pm or at 1 minuet to midnight,it would still have arrived on Wednesday.

Adams 930 years were within the one thousand years so it did happen just as Jehovah said it would.